Recipients outvote Donors - collapse inevitable (legal, solution, dollars, politicians)

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

actually most government workers are underpaid for the service they provide

LOLOLOL!!!!!

They are VASTLY overpaid and produce nothing. They CONSUME. ONLY.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by pnwmdk

LOLOLOL!!!!!

They are VASTLY overpaid and produce nothing. They CONSUME. ONLY.

no they are underpaid

and they are scientists
accountants
trainers
managers
cooks
human resources
etc

all produce something

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

no they are underpaid

and they are scientists
accountants
trainers
managers
cooks

all produce something

What? What do they produce?

[Patton360]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

Though it is popular to engage in partisan arguments, the issue is simple. When recipients can outvote the donors, no politician will dare to reform the government.

COLLAPSE of AMERICA
http://www2.tbo.com/news/opinion/201...-co-ar-341112/

Almost 60 percent of all Americans (dependents included) get 100 percent of their income from government (federal, state and local): as workers, Social Security and SSI recipients, other pension beneficiaries and general assistance. The American State, as paymaster to so many people, has created a class of servants.

No matter which partisan political party you embrace, if you're part of the growing recipient class, your self interest will drive the nation to collapse.

When the fleas dominate the dog, the dog dies - - - then the fleas.

Quoted for truth. I can't improve on this simple truth. A parasite will eventually kill the host.

[cometclear]

Originally Posted by ntwrkguy1

What exactly does government produce that can generate sufficient revenue to cover the cost of labor?

Toll roads (God, I hate Illinois), stadiums, skate parks, dog parks, banks (North Dakota's state bank has been sitting on a fortune for a long time)...off the top of my head. There are many more.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by pnwmdk

What? What do they produce?

I can tell you as a TRAINER, I produce trained special operations soldiers and operators


what do you produce???

I can also tell you that in the private sector...I would make at least 50% more....but being a retired army combat veteran, I would rather use my knowledge and skill set to train other soldiers



most government employees (the average worker is gs7-gs11) are UNDERPAID...the union (which most are not, has NOTHING to do with salery...salery is set and raised by congress...and has been FROZEN for the last 2 years....governemt employees are paid LESS than their civilian counterparts


example :

Staff training coordinator aka Staff operations and trainging specialist aka training analyst:

for the federal government a gs9(step1) to gs11(step10(20 years on the job)) pays 47k-74k...and that INCLUDES locality.... https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/307852000

in the civilian world the average salary is 63k with a range 53k to 87k



Fehb (health insurance) is the same as any other worker for civilian companies
tsp (401k) is also the same as any other company that offers it,,



the federal health plan is the LOWEST plan available...example the AETNA gov plan has HIGHER co-pays and less benies than the STANDARD AETNA

and the government worker STILL PAYs THE PREMIUM out of your check EVERY PAY PERIOD

Federal Employees Paid A Quarter Less Than The Private Sector: BLS ..... .........government-employees-23-percent-less-private-sector

[Patton360]

End the stupid wars and you wouldn't need as many soldiers. Maybe then you'd have to find a private sector job.

[ntwrkguy1]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

actually most government workers are underpaid for the service they provide

That's open to debate......but nonetheless, that wasn't the point I was making.

[Unsettomati]

Ever notice how the collapse is inevitable every time the Democrats win an election? (like 2006, or 2008, or 2012)

Or that the collapse is inevitable every time the Democrats win a legislative battle? (like passing the Affordable Care Act in 2009, or shutdown-a-palooza just now)

Or that the collapse is inevitable every time a Supreme Court ruling comes down that favors the left? (like 2012, Affordable Care Act)

[pnwmdk]

Originally Posted by cometclear

Toll roads (God, I hate Illinois), stadiums, skate parks, dog parks, banks (North Dakota's state bank has been sitting on a fortune for a long time)...off the top of my head. There are many more.

LOL!!! Toll roads produce nothing.

Stadiums produce nothing.

Skate parks produce nothing.
Dog parks produce nothing.

Banks produce nothing.

Try again. I think you fail to comprehend what "produce" means. Here's a hint; it has NOTHING to do with taking money from people.

Oh, and the tollways suck. They might be the best roads in Illinois... But in the overall scheme of things, they are atrocious in cost, and substandard at best.