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Perhaps taking care of yourself so others don't have to could be considered moral, huh? Why, there might even be enough of your taxes left over to take care of others who need it for one reason or another. But by all means, Sanspeur, feel free to contribute all your excess to the cause lest you be labeled selfish, or worse.
There are millions in the US with no healthcare, tell me....How many have you helped?
It's a sad reality that a country which loves to tout itself as "exceptional" is the only country on earth where illness or injury can drive you into bankruptcy and saddle you with debts that you will never be able to pay off no matter how long you live.
In my experience, those who oppose ACA fearing that they'll be paying for someone else's insurance typically have never had a problem either obtaining or keeping health insurance, nor have they ever needed hospitalization. In other words, "I've got mine..... screw everybody else". So many of these same people would brag that we are a nation "founded upon christian principles". Really?
They better seriously hope that they or a loved one never becomes seriously ill or injured because it can & will change their lives. It never ceases to amaze me that basic health care is such a controversial issue in this country. Everybody should have affordable health care..... period.
It's a sad reality that a country which loves to tout itself as "exceptional" is the only country on earth where illness or injury can drive you into bankruptcy and saddle you with debts that you will never be able to pay off no matter how long you live.
In my experience, those who oppose ACA fearing that they'll be paying for someone else's insurance typically have never had a problem either obtaining or keeping health insurance, nor have they ever needed hospitalization. In other words, "I've got mine..... screw everybody else". So many of these same people would brag that we are a nation "founded upon christian principles". Really?
They better seriously hope that they or a loved one never becomes seriously ill or injured because it can & will change their lives. It never ceases to amaze me that basic health care is such a controversial issue in this country. Everybody should have affordable health care..... period.
It doesn't amaze me in the least. The idea of everyone having health care is for commies and hippies, dontcha know?
There are millions in the US with no healthcare, tell me....How many have you helped?
Not any more -- they've got obamacare now!
They don't need to bother signing up for it yet -- and they aren't. They can simply wait until they're sick and then buy it since obamacare makes it easy to do it that way. That's why less than 500,000 of the 50,000,000 uninsured have signed up so far.
I vote on the conservative side of politics over here in Australia and I firmly believe in a socialised health care system. I guess we really are very 'left' in Oz. Even the right of politics wouldn't touch Medicare nor has it ever been an option. Personally, I also choose to pay for private health insurance because I don't want to wait in a queue for non-emergency surgery.
Why shouldn't retirees (those who have worked all their lives or contributed in some way) be looked after in their old age? People who sit and refuse to work? Not so much. I don't enjoy paying a levy for Medicare for them but everyone else I don't have a problem with it at all.
Surely healthcare, education, etc should be the foundations of an overall healthy society?
My country is a great country. Rich in natural and human resources. Being a citizen of this great country means that you get to share in the bounty the country has been given. Therefore my answer to the question posed is none of the above. Healthcare and good access to it here is recognized as a universal human RIGHT in Canada. The fact the richest nation on earth does not see it this way makes the USA very unexceptional.
So not only do you as a citizen, albeit perhaps a currently uninsured one, have access to the country's common bounty, but now you want access to my share of the bounty as well to subsidize that which you cannot (or will not) provide for yourself? Just because I've either worked harder, smarter, or managed my life better and have a little more?
"Rights" do not include that which must be paid for by others. The function of government is not to provide for every need and want when means exist for people to provide for themselves. How far does your vision of healthcare extend? Athlete's foot? Hearing aids? Ingrown nails? What about other things in life? I NEED to get to work and have a flat tire. Shall I expect the government to not only provide the tire but mount it for me as well? After all, I go to work and pay taxes on my earnings, so it's in the government's interest to see that I get to work, right?
Stop worrying and whining about "fair". Life's not fair. Get over it.
First, calling a child a "retard" is awful, and I am not part of the PC Police.
Secondly, fair doesn't always mean the same.
I think others have said it well, that the benefit is to seeing that people don't suffer.
First, that's a different thread altogether. The search function is your friend if you're interested in discussing semantics in that thread.
Secondly, the left wants equality of outcome and believes this can be achieved through legislation which obligates those who have supporting those who don't, at gunpoint if necessary. Life's not fair. The sooner this is recognized the easier it is to accept and deal with whatever else follows.
There will be suffering always, of one type or another. I don't want to see people suffer, but if I feel strongly then I can provide direct assistance or channel my chosen amounts through a charity. Taking my tax dollars to heavily subsidize individualized benefits for others is robbery, plain and simple.
As has been said, everyone has access to healthcare and no one should be denied by policy. Not being able to pay for it is another thing altogether. Example: No one is denied access to a Mercedes. There are no armed guards at the showroom entrance keeping people out. Everyone is free to enter, browse and compare the available selections. That doesn't mean that everyone who wants one will get to buy one on someone else's dime, nor should they. You want one? Fine, then buy one, but I'm not going to help you pay for it. And you getting one (or not getting one) doesn't affect my ability to get (or not get) one. Like healthcare, it's a consumer product available for retail purchase by those who can afford it.
Last edited by CaseyB; 11-08-2013 at 02:01 PM..
Reason: rude
Has it already been said that access is a necessity but that has nothing to do with how it should/could/would get paid for?
Used to be that a couple of chickens would work.
Edited to add that looks like Workin_Hard just did.
interesting thread....and kind of a false narrative
there is not one person in america that does not have access to health care
every person can open up the yellow pages, and find a doctor who will provide the service need (while some doctors might not be recieving new patients, there are plenty out there that are) access is about being able to GO TO the provider
the real issue here is health INSURANCE...in otherwords WHO WILL PAY FOR THE SERVICE I WANT
interesting thread....and kind of a false narrative
there is not one person in america that does not have access to health care
every person can open up the yellow pages, and find a doctor who will provide the service need (while some doctors might not be recieving new patients, there are plenty out there that are) access is about being able to GO TO the provider
the real issue here is health INSURANCE...in otherwords WHO WILL PAY FOR THE SERVICE I WANT
You will, along with everyone else that buys that insurance.... That is the way all insurance works. It spreads the cost to all of the subscribers, so these arguments I'm seeing that are stating people should all pay their own way are not valid. Not for any insurance, home, car, flood or even the socialized insurance (unemployment insurance) working Americans are covered with...
Regarding being forced to purchase ACA insurance, let me ask you, how do feel about being forced to buy auto insurance in order to drive, or being forced to buy home owners insurance in order to obtain a mortgage?
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