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The reality is that most people in the vast majority of states are against it. And it will never be legalized in the South, anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously fooling themselves.
Anyone who thinks the vast majority of the next generation of voters will not vote to legalize gay marriage hasn't spent ten minutes with the average high school student.
and lets hope they do not have to go that far. This should still be a matter left to the states. The only way I would want to see the federal government involved is simply, to say, any person has the right to decide who gets things like their SS benefits in case of death.
Letting the states setup a patchwork system of civil rights for gays is insane. How do you deal with the issue of a gay couple getting married in a gay marriage friendly state and later moving to a non gay marriage friendly state? Are they suddenly not married anymore?
Would you support this same states rights argument if a state wanted to eliminate 1st Amendment religious freedom or 4th Amendment rights? Why should the rights granted under the 14th Amendment be treated any differently?
Letting the states setup a patchwork system of civil rights for gays is insane. How do you deal with the issue of a gay couple getting married in a gay marriage friendly state and later moving to a non gay marriage friendly state? Are they suddenly not married anymore?
yup. next question. marriage is their individual state giving them the authorization to screw. they don't have that recognition from their new state. but their greedy butts will probably whine and moan until they do. gay greed is pathetic.
Anyone who thinks the vast majority of the next generation of voters will not vote to legalize gay marriage hasn't spent ten minutes with the average high school student.
While most young people do support it, very few actually vote for it. Very few actually vote at all (talking about those who are of legal age to do so). So if they truly did care, then they would be out voting in favor of it, but despite those polls that gay activists like to link to so much, voter turnout says otherwise.
Furthermore, most young people only support it because they think it's "cool". It's a trend now, makes them feel special among their peers. I know several young people who only support gay marriage because Lady Gaga and Jay Z do. Eventually this will die down and they will find some new cool trend to follow and support for awhile until that dies down and they find another one. This is how young people are.
Maybe what is needed to get some movement in the southern intransigence on this issue is to have a state like Massachusetts say to South Carolina - "Well, you don't recognize all of our marriages", "we won't recognize any of yours". SC would start ranting about that for sure! The ensuing court case would have some interesting implications! Equal rights doesn't imply "special rights!"
One of these southern states will end up on the losing end of a lawsuit and decide it's cheaper to join the 21st century than to pay up. The rattlesnake-handling Jesus Freaks will be in a snit, but who gives a flying f**k what they think! Fair is fair ...everywhere!
yup. next question. marriage is their individual state giving them the authorization to screw. they don't have that recognition from their new state. but their greedy butts will probably whine and moan until they do. gay greed is pathetic.
What state do YOU live in that it grants you the authority to screw? Is this some weird foreign country that you live in where you need to be married in order to have sex? For your information, here in the good ole' US of A, you don't need the state's permission to have sex nor do you have to be married.
As you can see from the table, only 13% of Mississippians supported gay marriage as of November 2011. But is that really telling the whole story?
The Williams Institute at UCLA conducted a study of public opinion across the states. According to their data, 34% of Mississipians supported gay marriage by the end of 2012. In Georgia, that figure was 37%. In Tennessee, only 32% of respondents supported gay marriage by the end of 2012, but in the link above, it shows 49% of Tennesseans supporting gay marriage, which if true would represent a 17 percentage point increase in less than six months.
Perhaps Tennessee is an outlier, but it makes you wonder whether the southern states would look better as a whole if more recent data were included (SC, WV and MS for example, are ranked based on a 2011 poll whereas NJ, IL, PA and MI are based on 2013 polls). So is the South not getting credit for its rapid change in public opinion?
Since no southern state allows ssm and I don't think any recognize other states' ssm, I say No, they deserve the bad rep from supporters of ssm.
I don't have confidence in trying to project public opinion 15-20 years into the future.
Maybe what is needed to get some movement in the southern intransigence on this issue is to have a state like Massachusetts say to South Carolina - "Well, you don't recognize all of our marriages", "we won't recognize any of yours". SC would start ranting about that for sure! The ensuing court case would have some interesting implications! Equal rights doesn't imply "special rights!"
But my point was that support for gay marriage is increasing faster in the southern states than perhaps anywhere else. It's just that fewer people initially supported the idea (back when a majority in all states opposed it).
Since no southern state allows ssm and I don't think any recognize other states' ssm, I say No, they deserve the bad rep from supporters of ssm.
A majority in all states and the District of Columbia opposed same sex marriage in 2004. And a number of states not in the South passed laws banning gay marriage. So it's not like gay marriage has enjoyed popular support going back decades. The trend is a very recent one. So what difference does it make if support reaches a majority in these states by 2013 or 2017?
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I don't have confidence in trying to project public opinion 15-20 years into the future.
So far, support has been increasing by 2 percentage points each year (in nearly all states). At that rate, a near majority of all southern states will support gay marriage by 2020.
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