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Old 10-24-2013, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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Fast food outlets are increasing staffed by adults and not pimply faced teenagers looking for part time work. McDonalds recognizes this, but instead of paying a living wage now has a McResources hotline to help their employees get government assistance and supplement thier low wages at taxpayer expense.

"Salgado, who has worked at a Chicago McDonald's for 10 years and makes $8.25 an hour, asked the McResources representative a number of questions related to getting assistance to pay for her heating bill, her groceries and her sister's medical expenses.
The helpline operator never asked Salgado how much she made per hour, and how many hours per week she worked beyond the fact that she was a full-time employee. But she said that Salgado "definitely should be able to qualify for both food stamps and heating assistance."
"We can be a good program," the operator said. "We can do a lot of the leg work that takes a lot of the stresses off of you making a million phone calls trying to find services."

McDonald's helps workers get food stamps - Oct. 23, 2013
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Around these parts, most of the McLaborers are adult Hispanics with broken English. Now, in most cases, you have to have a marketable skill and the means to support yourself in order to immigrate to America.

Something just doesn't add up

What it all boils down to though... Some folks may see fast food as a cheap lunch or dinner time solution. Well, when you add up the costs of subsidizing the workforce utilized to prepare the food, it ain't so cheap. Fast food restaurants as a sector of the economy are a drain, not a benefit. Ronald McDonald makes the Hamburglar look like a saint...
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:42 AM
 
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McJobs have pretty much replaced blue collar manufacturing jobs and other gigs. This is the reason why you are seeing so many older people manning checkouts and burger grills. If you can't get into a white collar STEM career there are few other options besides low wage jobs.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:46 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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McJobs have pretty much replaced blue collar manufacturing jobs and other gigs. This is the reason why you are seeing so many older people manning checkouts and burger grills. If you can't get into a white collar STEM career there are few other options besides low wage jobs.
Indeed...

And that's why we now have tension around the fact that a place like McDonald's is basically having the taxpayer subsidize their business model. In the past, it was teens and others just looking for part time who might have worked there; now, it's people who are trying to squeeze full-time living standard out of it, and it can't be done with that kind of a job.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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McJobs have pretty much replaced blue collar manufacturing jobs and other gigs. This is the reason why you are seeing so many older people manning checkouts and burger grills. If you can't get into a white collar STEM career there are few other options besides low wage jobs.
Keep buying "made in China" brand junk
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:50 AM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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You know what happens if McDonalds decides to pay their people more?

The folks working there will be replaced with better quality workers who are suddenly interested in these jobs due to the increased pay available.

So, the ones complaining about not making enough at McDonalds will now be making less then before... nothing.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:54 AM
 
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But is salting fries and running a touch screen cash register that counts the change out for you worth a middle class wage?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:58 AM
 
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But is salting fries and running a touch screen cash register that counts the change out for you worth a middle class wage?
Not sure anyone's arguing that. What remains though is the fact that the fastest growing industry in America is one of the most subsidized. That doesn't sit well in my stomach...

And when you looked at the majority of good paying manufacturing jobs of the 60's... 90% of those jobs involved pulling a lever hundreds of times a day for hours on end. Was that "worth" a middle class wage? It wasn't the work itself that made the job well paying. It had more to do with what was produced. Heck of a fatter profit margin in assembling automobiles when compared to hamburgers. Today, the only thing that's fat are the average McDonald's customer.

I wouldn't feel sorry at all if they cranked the price of a burger up 200% to pay the wage. You shouldn't be stuffing your face with that crap every other day, while driving up the cost of health care for everyone around you.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:59 AM
 
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But is salting fries and running a touch screen cash register that counts the change out for you worth a middle class wage?
$8/hour full time (if you can get full time) will gross you about $15,000. A 'living wage' of $12 is about $21,000/year. That's not middle class.

l know many people who had good jobs, got laid off, and because their age and fewer opportunities can't anything except retail or fast food.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:18 AM
 
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Around these parts, most of the McLaborers are adult Hispanics with broken English. Now, in most cases, you have to have a marketable skill and the means to support yourself in order to immigrate to America.

Something just doesn't add up
The number 1 visa issued is to family immigrants, meaning, you have to have an American relative in order to immigrate. Canada and Australia require you to have skills and speak English in order to immigrate, but America does not.

Annual immigration limits

Family - 226,000
Employment - 158,000

http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/Web_...cal_Limits.pdf

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What it all boils down to though... Some folks may see fast food as a cheap lunch or dinner time solution. Well, when you add up the costs of subsidizing the workforce utilized to prepare the food, it ain't so cheap. Fast food restaurants as a sector of the economy are a drain, not a benefit. Ronald McDonald makes the Hamburglar look like a saint...
Except that working a McJob pays too much to qualify for welfare until you have a kid. So maybe the question should be: why are American taxpayers subsidizing the poor to breed?
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