Mexico is much poorer than the USA, but they have voter I.D. Laws. is Mexico racist? (illegal aliens, how much)
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My super liberal History teacher asked us what we think of voter ID laws and I said I am for it. He then said having voter ID laws would disfranchise the poor, minorities, the folks who can't get IDs because some are too old and don't have a birth certificate. He said the lack of ID would keep them from exercising their right to vote and voter ID laws are wrong.
So I asked him why is it that I need to how an ID when purchasing a gun since that is also a right and if it bothers him that law abiding minorities and the poor who can't get an ID cannot exercise their right to keep and bear arms due to laws that forbid the sale of weapons without an ID.
He dodged that question FIVE times even though I kept bringing it up. Still hasn't answered it.
You can say a vote can't kill, or something along those lines. However, keeping and bearing arms is a RIGHT just like voting is. So I guess some liberals only care about certain rights and don't think the same standard should apply to all of them. I don't see them advocating for the poor Joe Schmoe who wants to buy a gun but can't because he can't afford an ID...
Also, how can anyone live in this country their entire lives, go to school, get a job, be a productive member of society without having to prove who they are?!
What you and your teacher Don't understand it that ID is needed to registrar to vote. No one can vote before they registrar. One can use their Birth Certificate and/ or Social Security card...Both legal forms of ID and both without photo. In fact you need a BC or SS card to get a photo ID card.
People have always had to have ID to vote...the state wants to interject rules in which the federal government and the courts have already decided.
You may want another form of ID...but don't say people don't have ID now;or as they had prior to any state law.
My paper voter ID card is lawful ID. I can use it as a form of Identification. Why is my Birth Certificate or Social Security card not valid or sufficient for me to vote? Why should I get another form of ID...because you want me to???
Mexico requires the IFE voter ID card -- and sad to say, there is far less fraud in Mexico's elections than there is in the USA where fraud is rampant.
Mexico requires the IFE voter ID card -- and sad to say, there is far less fraud in Mexico's elections than there is in the USA where fraud is rampant.
Hey, could you provide us the factual evidence of the rampant fraud going on? Thanks!
Hey, could you provide us the factual evidence of the rampant fraud going on? Thanks!
Check post #27 --- and realize that kind of thing is repeated all over the country -- in some precincts there are more voters than residents. All you have to do in many precincts is show up and vote -- no ID of any kind needed.
Your professor probably gave up on trying to reason with you. But I haven't!
Look, WHY do you think Republican legislatures are pushing so hard for these laws? To prevent fraud? Please. There were like a couple hundred incidents of "wrong guy voting " cases in the whole election, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast. And how many were actual crimes? Like, three???
No. The laws are intended to help the GOP stem the demographic tide. The propeller beanies in the GOP labs crunched the numbers. For various social and economic reasons, the ID requirement is two to three times more likely to prevent a Dem vote than a GOP one.
That's all there is to it.
And to repeat the actual premise of the thread: Mexico is much poorer than the US of A, yet they require photo I.D. to vote, as does Canada and most of Europe. Is Mexico racist? You made zero attempt to discuss the actual thread topic.
Well, hmm, I recall there's something in the Constitution about voting, blah blah blah, no poll tax, yada yada. I'm sure it's in there somewhere. I'm also sure it's NOT in there regarding the 2nd amendment, but what do I know.
Here's the thing: the argument FOR voter ID in reference to eliminating voter fraud is bull. In every instance of checking into this "rampant" fraud, it's come up naught or simply a couple of instances. Sorry, weak argument. Let's also look at what this voter id is also tied in with: gerrymandering, trying to eliminate same day registration & cutting back on hours & days of absentee voting. I'd like to add also that they want to eliminate students being able to vote with their student ID, they'd have to get a state issued ID. There are thousands of students that come from out of state who don't drive so therefore, don't need a state ID. There's no reason for it other than the cons own special interests. It's blatantly obvious.
So............are black people, minorities and the poor too lazy to get a photo i.d.? Why do you think they're less capable of getting one then other people? Do you believe that they're inferior or helpless?
What you and your teacher Don't understand it that ID is needed to registrar to vote. No one can vote before they registrar. One can use their Birth Certificate and/ or Social Security card...Both legal forms of ID and both without photo. In fact you need a BC or SS card to get a photo ID card.
People have always had to have ID to vote...the state wants to interject rules in which the federal government and the courts have already decided.
You may want another form of ID...but don't say people don't have ID now;or as they had prior to any state law.
My paper voter ID card is lawful ID. I can use it as a form of Identification. Why is my Birth Certificate or Social Security card not valid or sufficient for me to vote? Why should I get another form of ID...because you want me to???
How can they tell that it's you without a picture?
Check post #27 --- and realize that kind of thing is repeated all over the country -- in some precincts there are more voters than residents. All you have to do in many precincts is show up and vote -- no ID of any kind needed.
Explain voter fraud in Milwaukee....no voter id. I'll wait.
So............are black people, minorities and the poor too lazy to get a photo i.d.? Why do you think they're less capable of getting one then other people? Do you believe that they're inferior or helpless?
Maybe you can explain it since you're the one who brought up race or the poor, not me.
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