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Old 11-21-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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So what's the alternative? Going back to having no access to coverage because you had the audacity to have a pre-existing condition? Premiums were going up every year long before Obamacare. Employers dropping plans for inability to pay is nothing new.
WOW................

Well, let me ask you this, if it was SO important for you, were you complaining about waiting for 4+ years before you could even get insurance for those with pre-existing conditions?

Employeers dropping plan for inability to pay? Really?
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not to mention that the GOP tried to stop it forty-something times because of its current implications. The Dems shrugged it off and insisted that you could keep your plan if you liked it despite knowing that they were flat out lying.

But instead lets blame the GOP and Bush to solve all of our problems.
Anyone up for re-election is saying they didn't know and publicly say it should be changed and asking Obama to "do something". But that's where it ends. It's talk to the press and nothing more.

They don't care what happens to anyone but themselves to make sure they don't lose their "careers".

I wish we could ban politicians from Congress if they were found lying/colluding with business on laws.
That would sure make them think twice wouldn't it ?

Sadly the only body that can change how Congress works is Congress itself so that will never happen.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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The more this bill is implemented, the more we are seeing that this is a payout to the health insurance companies and less about 'healthcare.' These bailouts for the insurance companies who lose money for the first 3 years - terrible. This deal about being able to lapse on your premium for three months and still get services (because, again, the federal government will make up the difference) - unrealistic and destroys the very notion of insurance and shared risk.

Like any other reform, doing this incrementally would have so much better and people would love it. Instead, it was an overreach and the unintended consequences are multiplying greatly right now.

But it won't matter - if not enough of the healthy sign up for this by March, the premium hike shocks in 2014 will be shouted very loudly and clearly from everyone. And anyone who is dreaming of single payer for the nation - if the ACA continues down the path of failure, forget about that dream for at least a generation if not more.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: WY
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1. This law was rammed through without any bi-partisan support.

2. It was rammed through without anybody reading it.

3. It was rammed through and then the process moved ahead with few in the media (who are paid to ask question) asking any tough questions

4. Implementing the law continued even though lawmakers, pundits, talking heads and professionals in the health care and insurance fields began to sound alarms that this law would be a train wreck, and would harm the national budget and millions of Americans in the process. They were all dismissed as alarmists, obstructionists and racists.

5. The law was fully implemented even though the website (that took 3 years and billions of dollars to build) was only 60-70% completed. Even though the WH had been receiving secret memos for years, sounding the alarm about potential "glitches" and how the law would adversely impact Americans.

6. The WH consciously ignored all warning alarms, and made political decisions as opposed to decisions that were best for the American people. Then they sent the president of the United States out on multiple occasions so that he could unequivacably lie straight to all of our faces.

7. The president owns this. His administration owns this. Every Democrat who voted for this law owns this.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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So what's the alternative? Going back to having no access to coverage because you had the audacity to have a pre-existing condition? Premiums were going up every year long before Obamacare. Employers dropping plans for inability to pay is nothing new.
Writing legislation addressing the people with have preexisting conditions who cannot find health care insurance coverage would be a small thing to do, and it would not need the massive bureaucratic HHS machine.

Inside the ACA Obama created the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Program, or PCIP, for people with preexisting conditions to sign up, but only 135,000 people signed up.
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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It should be replaced by single player.

ASAP
Sorry Old Gringo if you want a single payer go to Mexico!
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Old 11-21-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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1. This law was rammed through without any bi-partisan support.

2. It was rammed through without anybody reading it.

3. It was rammed through and then the process moved ahead with few in the media (who are paid to ask question) asking any tough questions

4. Implementing the law continued even though lawmakers, pundits, talking heads and professionals in the health care and insurance fields began to sound alarms that this law would be a train wreck, and would harm the national budget and millions of Americans in the process. They were all dismissed as alarmists, obstructionists and racists.

5. The law was fully implemented even though the website (that took 3 years and billions of dollars to build) was only 60-70% completed. Even though the WH had been receiving secret memos for years, sounding the alarm about potential "glitches" and how the law would adversely impact Americans.

6. The WH consciously ignored all warning alarms, and made political decisions as opposed to decisions that were best for the American people. Then they sent the president of the United States out on multiple occasions so that he could unequivacably lie straight to all of our faces.

7. The president owns this. His administration owns this. Every Democrat who voted for this law owns this.
If Obama was smarter then he is narcissistic, he would have pretended Sen. Ted Cruz and the Republican led House forced a one year delay of the ACA, because Obama did not want to shut the government down. Then he could have spent a year trying to fix the law to make it less terrible, and blame ALL the problems in health care on the repubs. This would have been the gift that kept giving, and cinched big Democratic Party gains in the mid term elections.

Sadly for Obama, the foolish ego maniac, all the problems with everything are now his fault, and the Democrat's fault. Boo-hoo for them.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So what's the alternative? Going back to having no access to coverage because you had the audacity to have a pre-existing condition? Premiums were going up every year long before Obamacare. Employers dropping plans for inability to pay is nothing new.
Congress could have easily expanded medicare/medicaid to take in people with pre-existing and charge them a premium.

Medicare/medicaid programs already in place and working.
Simple enough to add a new "group" to these plans and charge money.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Obamacare will be the Democrat's waterloo!


CBS Poll: 84% of Democrats Want ObamaCare Changed or Repealed


A new and independent analysis of ObamaCare warns of a ticking time bomb, predicting a second wave of 50 million to 100 million insurance policy cancellations next fall -- right before the mid-term elections.

Second wave of health plan cancellations looms | Fox News
and CNN just did the exact same poll that actually gave reasons behind this number and it ranged from the public option to wanting single payer

Democrats who want the law repealed never wanted it in the first place and wanted a system they knew was better, but keep trying to spin .

And LOL at "independent"
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Congress could have easily expanded medicare/medicaid to take in people with pre-existing and charge them a premium.

Medicare/medicaid programs already in place and working.
Simple enough to add a new "group" to these plans and charge money.
so you are saying you are for a medicaid/care expansion ?
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