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Old 06-19-2012, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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China launches TianGong-1 to mark next human space flight milestone | NASASpaceFlight.com
The NASA link is fascinating if you're a geek. Or like space stuff.

They're building a space station and everything. Planned missions to Mars, etc. Cool stuff.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/sc...nto-space.html

Whoever controls space will have the edge in winning the next war.

 
Old 06-19-2012, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Who ever controls space will not need a war to dominate this planet. This country is very good at short term tactics while the Chinese read and understnd Sung Tsu.
 
Old 06-19-2012, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Still China lacks the experience that only NASA and Russsia have in space..They still have along way to go in manned space missions to catch up to us IMO.
 
Old 06-19-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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The Chinese are willing to go a "long way" to accomplish their cultural goal of world domination.
 
Old 07-21-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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Naïve and irresponsible beliefs aside, China’s space program is essentially military. Its every function is designed to carry out a military objective or one that improves the welfare of the state. Nothing else matters to the Chinese leadership.
Space, the Missing Frontier - NYTimes.com
 
Old 07-21-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Who ever controls space will not need a war to dominate this planet. This country is very good at short term tactics while the Chinese read and understnd Sung Tsu.


Understanding Sung Tsu is not difficult for the Chinese because he was Chinese.

Sung Tsu believed (1) Wars are won before the first drop of blood is shed. (2) The best strategy is to get the enemy to to beat himself and failing that to get someone else to do the fighting for you and finally (3) Don't fight the enemy's war or on the battleground of his choosing.
 
Old 07-21-2012, 01:20 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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China launches TianGong-1 to mark next human space flight milestone | NASASpaceFlight.com
The NASA link is fascinating if you're a geek. Or like space stuff.

They're building a space station and everything. Planned missions to Mars, etc. Cool stuff.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/sc...nto-space.html

Whoever controls space will have the edge in winning the next war.
Too bad - that requires government spending! No, no, no. Cut, cut, cut.
 
Old 07-21-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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Still China lacks the experience that only NASA and Russsia have in space..They still have along way to go in manned space missions to catch up to us IMO.

Actually the Chinese have been very efficient in developing their man space flight systems. Sinc e their first flight with a manned spacecraft in 2003, they have accomplished every milestone the Soviets accoplished in the period 1961 to 1971 and haven't killed a couple of cosmonauts in the process. In 2014, China will launch a new heavy booster the CZ-5 which will match the American Delta 4, Russian Proton or European Ariane 5. It will be interesting to see if they use this rocket to do a mission the Soviets didn't fully perfect ie. the flight of the LK-1 (Zond cislunar flights). The public plan is to build a Chinese version of the Mir which took the Soviets 15 years to get to after the flight of Salyut-1. With the flights of Tiangong-1 and Shenzhou's 8 and 9 the Chinese have demonstated everything needed to do this and have two key parts in hand the Shenzhou and the Tiangong which as actually just like the ATV or Progress cargo transport. The Tiangongs are rightsized as lab modules or free flying modules for zero-g operations .

The Chinese are working on a much larger rocket engine about 5 times the thrust of the biggest engine intended for the CZ-5 and the next series of moon missions by the Chang'de series of missions will give the Chinese a soft landing capability one landing to put a lunar rover on the surface and others to put sample retrievers on the surface and send lunar material back to China. These missions like the Soviet predecessors will need a rocket the size of the CZ-5 launcher. So all this begs the question: Is the political will there to put it all together and match the Apollo missions of half a century earlier? Is there a Chinese Apollo 8 , 10 and 11 in our future and will the Chinese do what we had on the drawing board but simply filed away after the early 1970s? Apollo missions we never flew.
 
Old 07-21-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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Naïve and irresponsible beliefs aside, China’s space program is essentially military. Its every function is designed to carry out a military objective or one that improves the welfare of the state. Nothing else matters to the Chinese leadership.
Space, the Missing Frontier - NYTimes.com


You can make the same charge about the American space program in its initial phases. Every astronaut was was a military officer with the exception of Neil Armstrong and Harrison Schmidt. Most were on loan or detailed from their respective services (Air Force, Navy or Marines).
 
Old 07-21-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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Actually the Chinese have been very efficient in developing their man space flight systems. Sinc e their first flight with a manned spacecraft in 2003, they have accomplished every milestone the Soviets accoplished in the period 1961 to 1971 and haven't killed a couple of cosmonauts in the process. In 2014, China will launch a new heavy ooster the CZ-5 which will match the American Delta 4, Russian Proton or European Ariane 5. It will be intebresting to see if they use this rocket to do a mission the Soviets didn't fully perfect ie. the flight of the LK-1 (Zond cislunar flights). The public plan is to build a Chinese version of the Mir which took the Soviets 15 years to get to after the flight of Salyut-1. With the flights of Tiangong-1 and Shenzhou's 8 and 9 the Chinese have demonstated everything needed to do this and have two key parts in hand the Shenzhou and the Tiangong which as actually just like the ATV or Progress cargo transport. The Tiangongs are rightsized as lab modules or free flying modules for zero-g operations .

The Chinese are working on a much larger rocket engine about 5 times the thrust of the biggest engine intended for the CZ-5 and the next series of moon missions by the Chang'de series of missions will give the Chinese a soft landing capability one landing to put a lunar rover on the surface and others to put sample retrievers on the surface and send lunar material back to China. These missions like the Soviet predecessors will need a rocket the size of the CZ-5 launcher. So all this begs the question: Is the political will there to put it all together and match the Apollo missions of half a century earlier? Is there a Chinese Apollo 8 , 10 and 11 in our future and will the Chinese do what we had on the drawing board but simply filed away after the early 1970s? Apollo missions we never flew.
I bet you use a varient of the RD-170 or RD-180 Rocket engine Because even today Russian Rocket engine designs still power the Atlas V Rockets and bet you have not come close to the power of the RD-33 which is the most powerful Rocket engine in terms of the amount of thrust it can put out and we are just starting to use them and they were all thank the N-1 moon Rocket...The N-1 NK-33 engines were even better then any engine we ever built.

The NK-33 is a nice rocket engine, absolutely the best performing Lox +Rp1 engines ever made

USSR--NK-33 Isp 331sec Vac & 297sec SL. Thrust 1,750kN (394,300 lbs)

USA---H-1 Isp (vac.) 310, (SL) 289sec Thrust 900kN (205,000lbs)


Soviet N1 Moon Rocket Documentary Part 1 - YouTube

I would niot say much about Russia since have to show respect to their innovation and they pushed us to build Rockets and beat us in many miliestones and we would beat them in another milestone and we pushed each other to a level that we did things that just now other countries are able to do and China just haing first manned spacecraft in 2003 is as around 40 years late but you take 3rd place in the rank of countries that have succesfully had manned space flight and safe Return.

Plus som far your space program has not inveted any new rocket but Rather are all based of U.S. and Russian technolgy and designs that we had in the early-1960's..

China needs to surpass Russia and the U.S. I innovation and build something that beat the Appllo and Proton Rockets which Rank as the two most powerful heavy lift Rocket platforms ever built and took us many places ahnd the Porton M and the not to long ago Retired Shuttle built the ISS but

I belive China is still not allowed to go to the ISS because of advanced experiments, technology,sensors and software and hardware that we would have a Memorandum of Understanding agreement on technolgy Transfers and the sharing of advanced technolgy to do with the ISS.

Also China has India trying to catch up to China and will be the 4th country to develop a Manned space program but like the U.S. and Russia it takes a good old fashion Rivalry to push the other one to do better and go farther.
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