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Old 12-21-2013, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Ted Cruz Blasts Budget Deal, Warns Nation Nearing 'Point of No Return'

Our congress decides to do its job, and the old poser-in-chief is surfing the outrage.
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Old 12-21-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Except that Congress did not do its job, and has not done its job in more than 15 years. There has not been a federal budget passed by Congress since 1998. The federal government has been funded exclusively on Continuing Resolutions, Continuing Appropriations, Omnibus bills, and Supplemental bills. Not once has either Democrats or Republicans passed all 13 appropriation bills since this century began.

Ted Cruz is right. The loss of our credit rating for excessive spending is just the beginning. The US is rapidly following the example of Greece and will soon not be able to pay for its debts. Obama and the Democrats have led the US down the path toward becoming a third-world nation.

Since only a small minority within Congress are fiscally responsible, and none of them Democrats, you are going to see yet another purge of scum-sucking liberal freaks from both the Republicans and Democrats in 2014. Just like in 2012 and 2010, Democrats are going to continue to lose seats in both houses.

We need more Senators like Ted Cruz, not fewer.
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Old 12-21-2013, 09:07 AM
 
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Ted Cruz Blasts Budget Deal, Warns Nation Nearing 'Point of No Return'

Our congress decides to do its job, and the old poser-in-chief is surfing the outrage.
How is spending 500 billion dollars more than we are taking in considered doing its job?

Saying this is congress doing its job is like saying congress declaring war on China for no particular reason other than that is has the power to do so is doing its job.

Its job isn't just to pass bills. It is to pass responsible, effective bills.
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Old 12-21-2013, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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Ted Cruz hates the budget deal because prolonging the failed doomed-to-bankruptcy status quo, gratuitously cutting pensions for people who worked and put their lives on the line for 20+ years to earn them, increasing spending, enshrining huge deficits into law for two years, adding to the national debt, punishing ordinary Americans for the mess created by politicians by taxing them and continuing funding for Obamacare, and increasing funding for the TSA, an agency whose bread and butter is thuggery and sexual assault, is bad for the government's fiscal health and is harmful to the American people.

Under the United States Constitution, Congress has the sole power of the purse, and it is Congress's right to grant or decline funding however they wish. They are under no obligation whatsoever to continue the status quo on spending, grant any request from the executive branch, or to pass funding for anything.

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Except that Congress did not do its job, and has not done its job in more than 15 years. There has not been a federal budget passed by Congress since 1998. The federal government has been funded exclusively on Continuing Resolutions, Continuing Appropriations, Omnibus bills, and Supplemental bills. Not once has either Democrats or Republicans passed all 13 appropriation bills since this century began.
Actually there have been budgets passed since the turn of the millennium, but none of them have been on time. 1997 was the last time Congress passed a full budget before the fiscal year started. From the time the modern budget process was created in the 1970's up until the Obama era, just about every year saw a budget passed even if it was somewhat late. The Obama years have brought on a whole new dimension of dysfunction; the federal government has subsisted on continuing resolutions since October 1, 2009. There was unified Democratic control during 2009 and 2010, so it's not a problem that appeared after the 2010 midterms as some believe.

Incidentally, now that continuing resolutions have become the primary means of funding the government, battles that used to be fought over the budget are now fought over continuing resolutions. In decades past a continuing resolution was routinely passed if Congress was fighting over the budget, but since there are no budgets now the continuing resolutions are the object of debate. Some people say "They used to pass CRs all the time, but those Teabaggers won't even do that routine thing", but the reason for that has far less to do with the 'baggers as it has to do with the Obama era budget process. In other words, "these are not your father's CRs" .

The Tea Party seems to have adapted to this fact of life much faster than the two major parties as a whole . Hopefully, though, real budgets can be passed on time rather than these weirdo CRs (clean or dirty) .

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Ted Cruz is right. The loss of our credit rating for excessive spending is just the beginning.
It's worth noting that the credit rating was downgraded after Boehner cut the budget deal and the debt ceiling was raised. Excessive spending and deficits were the primary cause, not the debt ceiling; raising the debt ceiling to infinity will cause bankruptcy and default if the long-term unfunded liabilities are not addressed.

[quote]Just like in 2012 and 2010, Democrats are going to continue to lose seats in both houses.

Actually, in 2012 Democrats gained a small number of seats in both houses.

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We need more Senators like Ted Cruz, not fewer.
Agreed .
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Old 12-21-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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Of course liberals love the new big spending bill. It's as irresponsible as heck, does nothing to bring down the fast growing national debt.

The welfare class is growing at a very alarming rate.
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Old 12-21-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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Actually there have been budgets passed since the turn of the millennium, but none of them have been on time. 1997 was the last time Congress passed a full budget before the fiscal year started. From the time the modern budget process was created in the 1970's up until the Obama era, just about every year saw a budget passed even if it was somewhat late. The Obama years have brought on a whole new dimension of dysfunction; the federal government has subsisted on continuing resolutions since October 1, 2009. There was unified Democratic control during 2009 and 2010, so it's not a problem that appeared after the 2010 midterms as some believe.
While you are correct about the budget passed in 1997, which would have been for FY 1998, like I said, you are seriously mistaken concerning everything else.

Congress has not passed all thirteen appropriation bills since 1997, late or otherwise. They may pass a few appropriation bills, but not all thirteen. Beginning in 1998 (the year Newt Gingrich resigned) for FY 1999, and continuing to this day, Congress has only passed Continuing Resolutions, Continuing Appropriations, Consolidated Appropriations, Omnibus bills, and Supplemental bills to fund the federal government, no actual budget.

Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2014 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2013 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2012 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2011 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2010 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2009 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2008 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2007 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2006 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2005 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2004 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2003 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2002 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2001 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2000 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 1999 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

The current Paul Ryan plan is to cut a paltry 0.33% from the deficit over the next decade. If anyone actually believes that BS, then I have a great health care insurance plan I know they will be eager to buy.
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Old 12-21-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Well, given the GOP obsession with unsustainably low tax rates, even signing pledges by lobbyists, they do not get to do the braying over fiscal responsibility. In fact, Bush chose to pay for two wars with two tax cuts. You might want tax cuts more than you want government services, but the country as a whole does not. They want a balanced, mixed approach. Ted Cruz want to cut taxes to the bone and whine about deficits. We are far to the right of where we have been for 50 years in terms of tax policy, but when the GOP had all the power, they did not cut spending. History speaks plainly to this. Zero credibility.

This hack the government bs. just does not fly. It is pure partisan scorched earth tactics. Basically the pattern is cut MY taxes (and billionaires too), then cut THEIR programs. Ted Cruz would make a great used care salesman or paid bloviator, and that is about all.
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