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Old 12-21-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Maine
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When the $7/hr crowd gets large enough it can outvote the super rich, then what?
The $7.00 an hour crowd will have a choice between the pawn of the uber rich with a D after there name or the pawn of the uber rich with an R after there name.

lets face it the majority of Americans don't know who there congressman is but they can tell you who is on dancing with the stars.

Those who don't know who is on Dancing with the stars are buying guns and ammo.



bill
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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When the $7/hr crowd gets large enough it can outvote the super rich, then what?
Outvote for who ?
Those running for office are backed by the rich.
It costs tens of millions to "buy an elected seat" in government these days.

You get to vote but you don't get to pick the names on the ballots.
So nothing will happen.

You'll always vote for those that got "selected" to be put on those ballots.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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A healthy society cannot exist without a healthy middle class and neither can democracy.
Is this another of Elizabeth Warren's attempts to appear intelligent?
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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How does that cost the American taxpayer 61 grand a year? What an absurd statement. The average taxpayer doesn't make that much and they certainly don't pay it out in taxes! It is always bad to be poor, if that poverty stops you from having basic food, shelter education or opportunity. You really need to rethink your post.
That's just it -- fewer and fewer taxpayers really cannot keep this whole system propped up which is why Obama wants to have skyrocketing national debt.

They're spending money like they're insane --- and they think no amount of debt can be too much.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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You can't have both a middle class AND not have a lower class.

She's confused.
She's always confused. Elizabeth Warren has never had a rational thought.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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Just like China today. And for them to climb up to 1st world status, they need to augment and grow their middle class. That means they will have to pivot their economy from centrally supporting massive crony infrastructure and industry to supporting the people themselves and creating a consumer oriented economy. Similar to what has been done in the US starting post-WW2. Although on a brisker time scale.

Avoiding the Fall: China's Economic Restructuring: Michael Pettis: 9780870034077: Amazon.com: Books

IMO Our major mistake right now is not enough central supporting and actively augmenting our middle class.

Six Myths that Hold Back America: And What America Can Learn from the Growth of China's Economy: Frank N. Newman: 9780983988519: Amazon.com: Books
The government doesn't need to try and control the middle class, what it needs to do is stop taxing us to death. Add up what a hard working middle class taxpayer pays in combined taxes -- payroll tax, social security tax, sales tax, medicare taxes, state and local tax, gasoline tax, vehicle registration, property tax, school and county hospital taxes ---- it's way beyond absurd.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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You are confused. You Can have a much larger lower class, without a secure middle class. With a secure middle class you have a rung of the American ladder to step up onto.
Define, "secure middle class," please.

You speak in platitudes, like the rest of the Leftists. Words and phrases strung together so as to sound like they mean something. And all the sycophants say, "Wow. How profound."
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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I think the middle class is getting hosed. They have been doing their best to be responsible and are getting screwed because our government continues to reward lousy behavior.
How true. And it's just beginning. If something isn't done to save us from ObamaCare, we're finished. No one can afford the cost of this.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Where it's cold in winter.
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The government doesn't need to try and control the middle class, what it needs to do is stop taxing us to death. Add up what a hard working middle class taxpayer pays in combined taxes -- payroll tax, social security tax, sales tax, medicare taxes, state and local tax, gasoline tax, vehicle registration, property tax, school and county hospital taxes ---- it's way beyond absurd.
And — coming up — ObamaCare. That expense will drive most families to the brink of bankruptcy. At the very least, they will have no discretional income left. Times are going to get very tough for all Americans, as if we haven't already had enough.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And — coming up — ObamaCare. That expense will drive most families to the brink of bankruptcy. At the very least, they will have no discretional income left. Times are going to get very tough for all Americans, as if we haven't already had enough.
They will just stop paying premiums and the number of uninsured will just grow even bigger than before Obamacare. At least they can get 90 days of free care before getting kicked out.
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