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Then push for work programs. I already said that. We need to WEAN them off not kick them off. Not the kids fault their parents don't want to work,don't punish them for their parents bad behavior. If they won't work then send them to a farm to break rocks and they actually get paid for it as well...you have to wean people off the system. Can't just cut the legs out from under it.
Look at UE. Typically it lasts for 26 weeks I think it is. It has been extended over and over and over again and look at the dems when it ends. People on UE know they got way more that they were supposed to but watch them scream about it. Did they think it would last the rest of their lives?
Wean people off welfare? Did they also think welfare would last a lifetime?
Then push for work programs. I already said that. We need to WEAN them off not kick them off. Not the kids fault their parents don't want to work,don't punish them for their parents bad behavior. If they won't work then send them to a farm to break rocks and they actually get paid for it as well...you have to wean people off the system. Can't just cut the legs out from under it.
Perhaps we could employ some of Stalins tactics for dealing with the poor farmers he pushed into starvation and fill mass graves with them? With every change to a nation comes death to some...sad but it is true.
Yes it's sad that many older people have to get food stamps and some type of welfare.
The broke ones I know made enough in their working years to have a nice nest egg in their golden years
but pizzed it all away on very bad life decisions, drugs, alcohol, trips, ect.
They were too busy living for today and failed to think they would be old one day.
But that is just many of the broke older people I know.
Many times even their kids have given up trying to help.
Yes it's sad that many older people have to get food stamps and some type of welfare.
The broke ones I know made enough in their working years to have a nice nest egg in their golden years
but pizzed it all away on very bad life decisions, drugs, alcohol, trips, ect.
They were too busy living for today and failed to think they would be old one day.
But that is just many of the broke older people I know.
Many times even their kids have given up trying to help.
Many times older people try to help their dead beat kids and when the parents can no longer work the parents are screwed.
I'll judge any poor person who needs a Gov hand out but refuses to organize their life style to match their income.
Birth control is cheap compared to raising a child. If they can afford a cell phone they can afford birth control.
If they can afford to smoke they can afford to buy food.
If they can afford an xbox they can afford food.
There are many poor out there who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own. I would wager the majority of them fall into that category. No one denies this fact.
No one can deny that there are also an awful lot of poor out there who do it to themselves. If you shop once a week for groceries you will see them at the check outs.
Drive past a low income housing development and you will see cars and trucks that are newer than yours. I make right at 80g a year and my truck is almost 6 years old. Yes I can afford a new truck every few years but that would be a stupid waste of money.
The same goes for elderly complaining their social security isn't enough to live on as they stand in line waiting to buy $30.00 worth of lottery tickets. Go to the casino and what do you see? It isn't white caller workers packing the place like sardines. It isn't blue collar workers either. It is senior citizens.
I grow weary of hearing how we owe the poor more. No people need to start acting responsibly. I have heard the saying that there is no shame in being poor. I agree. There is no shame in being poor. There is shame in behaving irresponsibly. If you can't afford your first child why have more? The sad thing is these people will keep popping children out like they are a baby factory and then the children learn from the parents and the cycle repeats.
You are correct in some of your examples. But there is simply no way to legislate responsible behavior. The same group that wants to stop welfare also want to stop abortion and subsidized birth control. How crazy is that. The same group doesn't want to pay to educate people, the same group don't want to pay for classes to stop teen pregnancies and sex education! What do you suggest we do about that group?
I am all for them. I figure at least 75% of those on welfare don't want to be there and would love to be working some kind of work to make ends meet. Maybe my figure is higher but I hope its at least 50%. You are always going to have those that won't work and well we gotta figure out what to do with them. It may be mean or wrong or again human rights but 1. Tie their tubes 2. Help them realize they are better off working voluntarily by putting them out to break rocks...Sometimes it takes tough love but I don't agree with how republicans and libertarians want to do it.Just cut them off and let them fend for themselves or die.
There seems to be either a lot of confusion or a lack of knowledge about these programs. Most of this thread appears to be about the SNAP program - nobody has "cut it off", but you seem to think Republicans and Libertarians have both "cut it off" AND they want you to die.
It's true that benefits were cut on November 1, 2013 - do you (or anyone else) know why that happened? The Democrats passed a law in August of 2010 (this is when they still controlled the House and the Senate) to "cut" SNAP and give that money to Teachers and Medicaid. Sorry, but nothing "Republican or Libertarian" about that …… Democrats passed it and Obama signed it. SNAP benefits were increased in the 2009 Stimulus Bill, but that was also based on a Food Inflation index to Sunset. The Dems accelerated the Sunset (and manipulated the Food Inflation) to give money to Union jobs.
In August 2010, Congress passed and the President signed P.L. 111-226, which accelerated the sunset of the ARRA benefit increase to April 2014 and used the estimated savings for state fiscal relief through additional federal funding for school districts to maintain teachers’ jobs and maintaining a higher federal match for Medicaid costs. Four months later, the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act (P.L. 111-296), which reauthorized Child Nutrition programs, further accelerated the sunset date of ARRA to October 31, 2013, to offset the cost of the legislation. As a result, beginning on November 1, 2013, SNAP benefit levels will be based on the cost of the June 2013 TFP, which is lower than the ARRA levels.
The other part of this 'story' is that the current Congress did not pass a new Farm Bill to extend benefits to the SNAP program ….. the reason for that is that these Welfare Programs like SNAP have no business in an Agriculture or Farming Bill. The Omnibus Bills are causing a lot of problems and a lot of waste. All "food programs" should be in one piece of Legislation, instead of spread out in Defense Department, Energy Department, Agriculture Department, Education Department and Health and Human Services. We end up with too much Bureaucracy, waste and fraud - instead of the money going where it is really needed. It is really needed - there are too many people living in poverty and need these programs, but they are being ill served by the same programs.
Reform must start locally and at the State level - there is no way that Federal workers are going to do anything that would "reform" them out of their jobs at these Agencies. Unemployment benefits, SNAP, Section 8 Housing and Medicaid programs are mostly funded and administered locally ……. Washington D.C. has too many fingers in this pie with their Cookie Cutter, One size fits All approach to Social programs. They like it that way …… it keeps people from knowing what is going on.
No we have cronyism. Capitalism sucks just as much. Again I am not a communist I am a socialist.
You don't want to stop welfare abuse you want to cut everyone who gets it off completely. I can't speak my mind obviously...I was "rude" so it was deleted...sigh 1 more day till the freedom of speech forum is back up...thank goodness.
1. Whoa. Communism is just an form of socialism. A very extreme form. But still a form of socialism.
2. It's amazing what people will do if their "fallback" govt initiatives are gone. I live in Florida. During the housing crash. We had politicians talking about families being evicted out of homes etc cause they couldn't get pay their mortgages.
Guess what? People gamed the system. They went months after months. Which became years after years. We are talking 3, sometimes 4 and 5 years without making a single mortgage payment. When these people knew their time was finally up. They would 1. Declare BK to buy themselves another 6 months. 2. Move out to housing they had already pre arranged.
Never take at face value what people will do when their backs are against the wall finally.
But as long as they know their is a fallback systems they will continue abusing it.
Look at welfare ending as we know it in 1996. People just migrate over to disability. Is it any coincidence that the number of disability has doubled in 15 years since welfare laws were changed in 1996.
If you want to see what poor is like. Go to Brazil. Go to India. That's how the poor are treated in those booming economies. It's feast or famine. Get with the program and stop feeling sorry for yourself.
That's the beauty of the USA. Know this nurse manager. Single mother of 3. She worked her butt off. Was on welfare briefly (the key word being briefly). Went to school while doing menial jobs for 4 years to earn first her associates degree. And she advanced. Got her Bachelors than masters.
There is still upward mobility in the USA. You just have to work for it and stop blaming the system.
You are correct in some of your examples. But there is simply no way to legislate responsible behavior.
You can't legislate responsible behavior by the same token government can't legislate prosperity. Government can help reduce irresponsible behavior like having babies they can't afford by not paying for the irresponsible behavior. If mom and dad are too busy worrying about food and other basic necessities instead of these needs being paid for by the tax payer they won't have time to make babies.
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