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Old 12-31-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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Why is there a huge gap between India and China, in terms of H1B?
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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You can refresh a skillset in two weeks by taking a class. Learning a new software "flavor of the month" is easy once you have a solid foundation of thinking logically and knowing software processes. I graduated college in 1986 with a skillset that included FORTRAN77, COBOL, RPGII, and BASIC. I have not had a problem getting any IT job that I have applied. I have not written a line of code in 20 years. Coders are entry-level IT jobs.
You get laid off past age 55 I dont think any amount of training will get you hired again in the private sector. They are looking for someone who is already trained and has done the work previously and they probably arent that hard to find.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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Americans are not capable of learning IT?

Or is it that Americans don't want to learn it if it's only going to pay $30,000 a year while foreigners jump at the chance to work for $30,000 in the USA?
Mal, i've asked this question time and time again. Why aren't WE TRAINING THESE PEOPLE OURSELVES!!! In a population of 300 million, we can't train our own IT professionals? We're reduced to importing these people? The greatest nation in the world (so called)?

We ought to be ashamed of ourselves. I know damn sure that i am.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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There are some misunderstandings:

(1) H1B visa requires that the salary is no less than the average. i.e. If a company hires a software engineer for $30k, it won't be approved. It has to be $60k at least. The federal government controls it.

(2) Many H1B visa holders have a US degree. The law says those who have a US degree should be preferred.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:48 AM
 
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A lot of H1B jobs are in IT, and there are skills with high demand and no supply of workers.

Oh that statement is nonsense.
Its economics on the business and get Indians to do it for less it has nothing to do with the supply of workers here. Not only that the so called IT jobs are indians coming here to take that job that belonged to an American and so they can outsource the IT to india in data centers and the Hb1 visa employee goes home in about 6 months after he learns how to do the Americans job.

So what you pay 2 American workers they can get 4 Indians to do in India. No medical insurance no benefits and I'm sure even a tax credit.

Btw this so called skills that Americans don't have do have and plenty of Americans looking for jobs and looking for American MONEY ( why shouldn't they)
Let me know when they outsource and bring in indian doctors to do remote diagnostics and use computers to treat you. I'm sure that will save millions. Good luck at the ER dept.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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Jobs that apparently no unemployed American wanted.
I hope you're being sarcastic.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:50 AM
 
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A lot of H1B jobs are in IT, and there are skills with high demand and no supply of workers.
There are all kinds of people in America who could be trained for those jobs. And a lot of the Indian H1Bs don't know what the hell they're doing either.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:50 AM
 
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You can refresh a skillset in two weeks by taking a class. Learning a new software "flavor of the month" is easy once you have a solid foundation of thinking logically and knowing software processes. I graduated college in 1986 with a skillset that included FORTRAN77, COBOL, RPGII, and BASIC. I have not had a problem getting any IT job that I have applied. I have not written a line of code in 20 years. Coders are entry-level IT jobs.
No, you cannot take a two week course in a language and then get hired as a coder in that language. And no, coders are not entry level jobs. I know many coders who have been coding for well over 20 years. Having said that, most of the H1B workers are coders.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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There are some misunderstandings:

(1) H1B visa requires that the salary is no less than the average. i.e. If a company hires a software engineer for $30k, it won't be approved. It has to be $60k at least. The federal government controls it.

(2) Many H1B visa holders have a US degree. The law says those who have a US degree should be preferred.
1. The average american working where? See that is the sneaky part in Texas? or NYC pay? Markets range on that one.
2. Most times the H1B visa holder in IT is only coming to learn the job then go home to teach it to his co workers so they can do it remotely IE IT helpdesk or IT operations which includes many high paid jobs here in the US. Email support, server support etc.
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Old 12-31-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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Oh that statement is nonsense.
Its economics on the business and get Indians to do it for less it has nothing to do with the supply of workers here. Not only that the so called IT jobs are indians coming here to take that job that belonged to an American and so they can outsource the IT to india in data centers and the Hb1 visa employee goes home in about 6 months after he learns how to do the Americans job.

So what you pay 2 American workers they can get 4 Indians to do in India. No medical insurance no benefits and I'm sure even a tax credit.

Btw this so called skills that Americans don't have do have and plenty of Americans looking for jobs and looking for American MONEY ( why shouldn't they)
Let me know when they outsource and bring in indian doctors to do remote diagnostics and use computers to treat you. I'm sure that will save millions. Good luck at the ER dept.
Your post is uninformed. We are not even talking about getting 4 Indians to do work in India. We are talking about H1B workers who work in US, and they don't get paid pennies. Out company pays H1B coders as much as US coders. It's the law, and must be posted on the wall at the work place, if you have H1B workers present.
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