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Maybe you are forgetting the massive issues with the private healthcare industry? The ever increasing massive increases in private healthcare that went along with your plan being cancelled if you ever truly needed it, or them burrying you in paperwork while you were horrifically ill?
This is my point, you're all against Obamacare...but when the idea came to fix it or replace it....there were no better ideas. And look at what you post? Again...no ideas.
And that lack of ideas is whats going to eventually force solutions you disagree with.
What about just saying "medicare will be offered at cost to anyone that wants to buy it"....surely the free market could have crushed medicare right?
RIGHT?
But no, thats not a idea from the right.
There were PLENTY of ideas, but the left ignored them. You think conservatives have no solutions? You might want to take a look on Harry Reid's desk, see the bills there that are attempting to tackle the problems, then get back to us.
This socialism of which you speak, and dream of? Have a chat with residents of the former Soviet Union, and see how wonderful their lives were under that system. You think times are tough now? Try waiting in line for days to get a loaf of bread.
And still not a solution to be found, in fact, you cheer on the idea that we need to go the socialist route. Nice!
Funny thing-some on the left have suggested letting the right do the same. Do you remember when the Democrats voted "present" on a Republican bill forcing the Republicans to switch votes? LOL. Good times....and very indicitave that there are no solutions from that side.
All the solutions have been presented here many, many times. You reject them. What would be the point of presenting them again to you? You are a collectivist. But, we have the entire history of the world to use to point to the failures of the kind of system you dogmatically promote; a system which has never in history done one thing to help the poor, but only creates more chaos, more poverty, while enrichening the elite ruling class.
America is great because of free market capitalism. What you're selling belongs on the barnyard manure heap.
Seriously this is the EXACT problem I am discussing. you want to throw stones, and tear things down, but not come up with any solutions. Then complain when something gets tried.
All your partisan types enjoy throwing stones equally as evidenced by your posts and this thread in general. As for tearing things down instead of creating solutions, what if all the building up is the problem & the solution is actually tearing things down? Look at our Government. It's bloated, overly expensive, inefficient and redundant. If we could get rid of this waste, I'm talking entire Departments, we'd have far more money for Social Programs and helping the people who really need it.
I knew that if I look inside this thread, I'd find at least one lie.
These people are just too easy. (yawn)
They don't know anything else. They have to keep recycling the same garbage, over, and over again. There solutions are more disasters like Obamacare. Can their be a more perfect example of what you get with socialism?
The overall trend of history is a shift towards a regulated socialist nation. The article, "we are all socialists now" went into detail about how almost everyone has their favorite pet program.
Almost 80% of Americans support 4 things.
1. Do not touch, change, adjust, or tweak in any way social security.
2. Do not touch, change, adjust, or tweak in any way medicare.
3. Cut defense to pay for the first two.
4. Raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans to make up the difference.
Pretty simple.
Now the Devils in the details. Republicans think the best way to pay for that is to either
A. Voodoo economics. Lower taxes increases growth and in turn tax revenue. This is a fallacy, and it's why Reagan even changed that tactic.
B. Decreasing defense spending isn't an option for the neoconservative wing of the Republican party.
So they've split themselves. The neocons, the Christian conservative wing, and now the TEA party are split on these issues.
Democrats have a more stable platform. They plan on taxing their way out of it. They'll cut defense some, but in the end taxes will go up.
World events will dictate the future. It's really chance.
There is no conservative solution to income inequality, nor is there a progressive/liberal one...because there simply is no solution that makes 310 million demand everything equally, value everything equally, and supply every demand/valuation equally.
You may as well be demanding the conservative solution to perpetual motion or being able to divide by zero. Both are as likely as a solution to income inequality in a society that tries to have even an ounce of actual freedom. Even in a wildly dystopian legislative package like a Directive 10-289 (look it up if you don't know), there was still income inequality. So you'd need to come up with something rather draconian and absolute, using levels of force, coercion and control no tyrant thus far in human history has ever risen to, in order to eliminate income inequality.
But, since the average is so retarded they cannot actually think past sloganeering, you can perpetually gripe about it and use to cast Republicans as devils in order to win elections and still not solve any problems.
So theres no solution, so when income inequality was reduced from about 1940 to 1980 that just cant be repeated?
And comparing income inequality to supply/demand inequality...explain to me how that makes any sense at all...the answer is it doesnt. It does sound great...but...no.
Its funny, everyone seems to think I want to argue about how great the socialist solutions are, and completely misses the main point.
Either come up with a solution, or a solution you do not like is going to be forced on you that someone else creates.
PS-yes I could argue all the points you brought up, but you're missing the topic here. In fact hilariously so.
My idea is to let the Left have their way and sit back and watch them suffer while I still have a job and protect my property from the thieves. Once taxation gets too high where I can no longer live, I'll just quit like the rest of the Left.
Your life consists of strictly working & protecting your property? What a boring life you lead. Oh P.S. This liberal has a job, thanks.
All your partisan types enjoy throwing stones equally as evidenced by your posts and this thread in general. As for tearing things down instead of creating solutions, what if all the building up is the problem & the solution is actually tearing things down? Look at our Government. It's bloated, overly expensive, inefficient and redundant. If we could get rid of this waste, I'm talking entire Departments, we'd have far more money for Social Programs and helping the people who really need it.
I like this post. You at least have suggestions. Im not interested in throwing stones so much, although I am willing to as you observe. bad ideas and ignorance should have stones thrown at it.
OK so tearing things down, reducing bloat and inefficiency, guess what? thats bi-partisan. Obama has spoken on it a couple times.
Why do we have both homeland security, the ATF, FBI, etc, etc? Why not just the FBI?
Sure the CIA should be seperate from the FBI (external vs internal), but all the other organizations should be merged.
But...in the end how much are we talking about? Its small. Id love to say it would resolve the problems but it wont. It would help though, and its the kind of thing that could slow down some of the more extreme ideas.
I know, reading the title you're saying "no thats the liberals!"
But heres the thing, we're starting to see more and more socialist ideas take root and become popular. The cause of this is that increasingly our system is failing the young. The jobs for the young are being taken by the older generation as good jobs become less common. Our growing inequality is felt more by our younger generations. So of course they look for solutions.
The conservative solutions being presented are "less taxes for the rich", "trickle down economics", and "less regulation"
Heres the problem. Those arent solutions, most of them are slogans. Less taxes on the rich does not reduce inequality. We've tried that. Trickle down economics despite its many defenders here, is generally derided and mocked as a complete failure. And less regulation is great, but rarely specific. These don't go towards reducing the economic problems.
Even worse from some views is that the word "socialism" doesn't freak out the younger generations. It is not seen as a bogeyman, its seen as more and more providing a solution.
So until reasonable solutions are suggested by conservatives, we're going to look towards socialist solutions presented by people. This is a failure by conservatives to produce ideas, and solutions. the is a failure to lead. Being known as "the party of no" means more and more as of late as "the party of no solutions". And we need solutions. medical care wasn't working, so now we have Obamacare. Our economic solution isn't working, what will we do?
What will conservatives suggest that hasn't been tried already and demonstrably fail? That isn't a slogan? That will solve the problems for all of us, not just benefit the rich?
We need conservative ideas that aren't these slogans, that are concrete solutions. Otherwise we will go with the socialist ideas, the left wing ideas, heck we even risk worse!
So what ideas do the conservatives have?
Where in God green earth do you get your ideas? To start with, older workers are being forced out, by younger workers because many companies can hire the younger worker and pay them less.
The more regulation we have, the more it costs the government, which in turn, costs us. Not to mention we lose our freedoms. I would think, you being a very young person, would not want to give up your freedoms.
The more socialistic government we have and the more government control, the more we all pay in taxes. Those of us who are older have reached our earning power and are not all that affected, what do you think will happen to your earning power when you end up paying 50 to 75% of your income to support programs that you have no control over or support those who can not or will not go to work?
Do you have any idea what is and has happened in the past 5 years or so in socialistic countries? Do you understand the word bankrupt? When there is no money left, then what?
Have you traveled to countries where there is really a problem with poverty? These countries have kids that never even go to school. The average kid doesn't have his/her cell phone or computer. They work in the fields from the time they can walk. They live in shacks.
Now, think about that and tell us how great socialism is!!!
Where in God green earth do you get your ideas? To start with, older workers are being forced out, by younger workers because many companies can hire the younger worker and pay them less.
Same with your schools. Get rid of the older teachers and hire on the new ones for much less money.
It's either hire young workers for less pay or offshore for less pay or automate for less cost.
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