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Old 01-09-2014, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The answer is simple, and it also answers why it should not promote, or allow same sex marriage or legalization of drugs

The government should promote those things which benefit the nation as whole. This is what "promote general welfare" in the Constitution means. Promoting traditional marriage benefits the nation as whole, because it brings forth new generations of people, and gives the children an opportunity to grow up in a family with a father and a mother, like nature intended. Familes stabilize the nation as whole. Kids who grow up in families are far less likely to end up as bad apples of the society. It keeps crime low, and number of productive people high. Family life even tames the men. It is also an economic issue, because a stable nation is an an economically thriving nation, with fewer people to support.

So, promoting traditional family benefits the nation as whole.

Same sex marriage does not benefit the nation in any way, so there is no reason to promote it.

The government does three things:

1. Promote those things which benefit the nation, like traditional family.

2. Allow freedoms. We are free to work, earn income and own property, live where we want etc

3. Prohibit those things which are harmful to the nation.

Violent crime is definetly harmful to the nation, which is why it is prohibited. Drug use is harmful to nation as whole which is why it is prohibited. Same sex marriage? I have yet to see one compelling reason why it should be promoted, or even allowed.

 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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I'm sorry but how does the government "Promote" any marriage? They provide a license to marriage, but thats not the same thing as promoting it..

The promotes general welfare clause, deals with promoting the general welfare OF THE NATION, not the individuals, nor the family..

A marriage isnt general welfare, its an individual welfare, of the two being involved.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:05 AM
 
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Fail on the part of the OP.

Even if the government wanted to "promote marriage" for the reasons states above, it does not then reason or make any logical sense that it should not allow homosexual marriage.

Stable communities and households - gay or straight - are laudable goals for everyone.


You've lost. The dominoes are falling. Get over it and move on to your next battle.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: MS
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I'm sorry but how does the government "Promote" any marriage? They provide a license to marriage, but thats not the same thing as promoting it..

The promotes general welfare clause, deals with promoting the general welfare OF THE NATION, not the individuals, nor the family..

A marriage isnt general welfare, its an individual welfare, of the two being involved.
And why do they even do that? I know it started as a way to stop interracial marriage but now it is just a source of revenue and not even a big one at that.

Get the government at all levels out of marriage and that will solve the problem.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
I'm sorry but how does the government "Promote" any marriage? They provide a license to marriage, but thats not the same thing as promoting it.. The promotes general welfare clause, deals with promoting the general welfare OF THE NATION, not the individuals, nor the family..

A marriage isnt general welfare, its an individual welfare, of the two being involved.
Like I explained, families benefit the nation as WHOLE. You do not have to marry anyone in order to benefit from a more stable society. Law Enforcement benefits the sociaty as whole, but it doesn't mean you need to become a cop in order to benefit from it. How does the government promote marriage? There are incentives which encorage people to get married. As a matter of fact the SSM proponents use those incentives as an argument to legalize SSM.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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The government should get out of marriage entirely. Do you need bureaucrats to validate your relationships?
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:13 AM
 
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The government should get out of marriage entirely. Do you need bureaucrats to validate your relationships?

Bingo.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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The government should get out of marriage entirely. Do you need bureaucrats to validate your relationships?
If it helps families stay together and provide a stable environment for their children, then YES. The truth is that married people are more likely to stay together and provide such environment for their kids, than non married couples.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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And why do they even do that? I know it started as a way to stop interracial marriage but now it is just a source of revenue and not even a big one at that.

Get the government at all levels out of marriage and that will solve the problem.
It shouldnt.
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Like I explained, families benefit the nation as WHOLE. You do not have to marry anyone in order to benefit from a more stable society. Law Enforcement benefits the sociaty as whole, but it doesn't mean you need to become a cop in order to benefit from it. How does the government promote marriage? There are incentives which encorage people to get married. As a matter of fact the SSM proponents use those incentives as an argument to legalize SSM.
Families arent necessarily composed of married individuals. I've been living with my "live in girlfriend" for 19 years now. We're beyond stable.

Marriage btw, doesnt take place under the general welfare clause of the Constitution, it takes place under the Pursuit of Happiness in the Declaration of Independence..

Thats why I support gay marriage (and yes, I once opposed it). Gays are entitled to the same happiness that straight folks are entitled to and I've read very compelling legal arguments as to how I was wrong and I changed my stance on it.
 
Old 01-09-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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If it helps stabilize the nation, YES.
What does that mean?
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