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I do not scoff at or marginalize the word. I point out that you use it solely to equivocate.
Please... two thread-jacks weren't enough for you? Really?
The math used to calculate the mass and size of the object responsible for the movement of stars we observe near the galactic center.
Evidence and reason, CM.
I am going to ask you again...What math? Can you please demonstrate to me how the math is reasonable? Can you SHOW how the math involving the center of the universe is consistent with observation?
Furthermore, you have illustrated that there is no "proof" in science,.which implies there is no "right or wrong" just "acceptable and unacceptable".
So, being that you are a layman....if you weren't, surely you'd be "ScientificDude" (who'd lose a penis measuring contest with that name?) . But, is it possible that your understanding of the universe and all things being, by way of well established theories propagated through schools and the MSM, are bound by convictions that they are so massively accepted because they're true?
I'd also like to ask you, do you believe Schrodinger's cat is dead and alive at the same time until we open the box it was poisoned in?
Do you believe the fundamental theories surrounding particle physics..like s-duality and the uncertainty principle to be scientific?
If you don't....then I have no point. If you DO, then you postulating there is no such thing as ID or God is unscientific at it's core. Regardless of the "amount of weighted evidence" because particle physics has been at a complete standstill for over half a century.
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And IC doubles down on completely missing the point.
(That said... for most of the birds considered in the linked article, absolutely).
Yep.
The article referenced several species for which there has been no genetic manipulation by humans, including marine mammals.
The original post to which I responded with the link implied that human intelligence must have been created. The article distinctly shows how the variations in animal cognition provide more evidence to support evolution of intelligence.
There is also Koko the gorilla, who communicates in sign language, has invented her own signs, does not like to watch sad movies, and expressed her grief when her pet cat died.
The article referenced several species for which there has been no genetic manipulation by humans
Intelligent Design is more than just genetic manipulation. It's selective breeding for specific traits, as evidenced by dog and cat breeds, and farm animals.
The difference is an intelligent intervention in the natural evolutionary process. At that point, the breed/species has no longer evolved in an undirected process.
I am going to ask you again...What math? Can you please demonstrate to me how the math is reasonable? Can you SHOW how the math involving the center of the universe is consistent with observation?
Not to you, no. I've got two semesters of space mechanics under my belt. I have no doubt that you have none (given the cluelessness of your posts to this point).
You are not capable of understanding the math, rendering it a fool's errand to offer a presentation.
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Furthermore, you have illustrated that there is no "proof" in science,.which implies there is no "right or wrong" just "acceptable and unacceptable".
Your single most commonly demonstrated vice appears to be an affection for non sequitur. No reasonable person would draw such a bizarre implication.
Acceptability has nothing to do with it. Explanatory power, on the other hand, is everything. We gain greater or lesser confidence based on a single, empirical, pragmatic standard. Does it work? In this way science incrementally approaches truth without ever laying claim to absolute truth. And so doing, it has become the single most pragmatically successful enterprise in all of human history.
This is why science increases crop yields, cures diseases, invents Internets and launches people into space... while religion does not.
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I'd also like to ask you, do you believe Schrodinger's cat is dead and alive at the same time until we open the box it was poisoned in?
There is no Schrodinger's cat. It was an analogy designed to address the apparent disconnect between entanglement at quantum scale and the deterministic phenomena we experience at macro scale. Your question demonstrates, frankly, that you actually never had a clue regarding what the intention or meaning of the thought experiment was in the first place.
You can rest more peacefully now. No cats are ever alive and dead at the same time.
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Do you believe the fundamental theories surrounding particle physics..like s-duality and the uncertainty principle to be scientific?
Of course. The former is simply a tool for making calculations easier. The latter is an empirical fact. What about them troubles you?
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If you don't....then I have no point. If you DO, then you postulating there is no such thing as ID or God is unscientific at it's core.
Actually, you have no point either way.
I postulate nothing. The non-scientific character of ID or God is not a premise. It is a tentative conclusion based on (wait for it) evidence and reason. As are all scientific conclusions.
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Intelligent Design is more than just genetic manipulation. It's selective breeding for specific traits, as evidenced by dog and cat breeds, and farm animals.
And that has nothing whatsoever to do with the ID movement.
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