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Old 01-13-2014, 01:07 AM
 
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The ID hypothesis is not even a good hypothesis. It falls over because it cannot explain the diversity of life on earth and it does not address all the obvious evidence (DNA analysis, fossils, comparative anatomy, vestigial organs, retroviruses etc) that life forms evolved from earlier life forms by modification.
You're still stuck on thinking ToE disproves ID. It doesn't. ToE doesn't address the origination of life on this planet. It only addresses what has happened after life began to exist.

 
Old 01-13-2014, 01:09 AM
 
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Was the 'designer' actually a committee?
That's one theory. There are others, as well.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 01:12 AM
 
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Because there is a vast amount of observable evidence for evolution.


Descent with modification, accounting for the origin and diversity of all species living on the planet.
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Descent and modification? Yes. Origination of life on this planet? No.
That's not what he said. He said "origin and diversity of all species living on the planet". That doesn't mean what you apparently think it does, so I can see why you may have been confused.

Darwin's book was titled: "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection"

"Origin of species" does not mean origins of life on the planet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/history_of_the_earth

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Old 01-13-2014, 01:24 AM
 
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That's not what he said. He said "origin and diversity of all species living on the planet".
Nearly all currently living species have evolved to their current existence. However, as has been pointed out time and again, ToE does not address the origination of life on this planet. It only addresses what has happened after life began to exist.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 01:29 AM
 
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Nearly all currently living species have evolved to their current existence. However, as has been pointed out time and again, ToE does not address the origination of life on this planet. It only addresses what has happened after life began to exist.
No-one has ever said it does or was ever supposed to. I'm not sure why you keep saying this over and over again.

This seems to be some kind of straw man argument you are battling.

The ToE does not explain the origins of life, because that's not what the theory is meant to explain. There are other theories/hypotheses about the origins of life on earth. If you have a problem with them, then bring them up.

It's kind of like saying Germ Theory does not explain the origins of life. It's not supposed to.

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Old 01-13-2014, 01:42 AM
 
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If that's your standard for 'evidence', then if I can show you evidence for evolution in the Bible, would you accept it?
Harrier would settle for you explaining in your own words why you believe there is observable evidence for evolution.

He would also like to know what is your definition of evolution.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 01:52 AM
 
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You're still stuck on thinking ToE disproves ID. It doesn't. ToE doesn't address the origination of life on this planet. It only addresses what has happened after life began to exist.
What the heck? Where have I ever said that the ToE disproves ID?

You seem to be confused between what a Theory is and what the evidence is that it explains.

ID has to explain the same evidence that the ToE does for it to be a valid Theory. It can't.

ID not only has to explain origins, it also has to explain the diversity of life as it is today. It can't.

Maybe you aren't aware of what the hypotheses of ID is?
 
Old 01-13-2014, 01:53 AM
 
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ID has to explain the same evidence that the ToE does for it to be a valid Theory. It can't.
ToE is not a valid scientific theory.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 02:00 AM
 
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ToE is not a valid scientific theory.
Yes it is.

I'm sorry that reality contradicts your biblical religious beliefs.

Actually... no I'm not.
 
Old 01-13-2014, 02:01 AM
 
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ToE is not a valid scientific theory.
The Bible is not scientific evidence for the age of the earth.
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