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Old 01-15-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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See, here's your problem: You're supposing that most of us are "anti-Walmart". We're not. Most of us are in favor of Walmart existing, and making lots of money. What we have a problem with is subsidizing their profits by supporting their workers that they fail to pay a decent wage to in 2014 (ie. corporate socialism).
No, you don't. That's an entirely false argument.

Words have meanings, and your constructed sentence is blatantly a lie.

Period.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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That's a cute picture, but how is subsidizing Walmart workers through foods stamps, medicare, etc. not the definition of corporate socialism?
There is no such thing as "corporate socialism", there's socialism, and variants thereof, but that is meaningless.

Obviously, you object to socialism, so get rid of the food stamps.

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And why are you right wingers so OK with corporate socialism, but not socialism for individual people, employed or not?
And why are you unable to make a single true statement?
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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But that's only if that small business fills a niche that Walmart doesn't.
That's typical of many strip places with a big anchor store.
And?

Is one small business somehow less of a business because they don't try to directly compete with Wal*Mart?

I'm not understanding the point of your comment.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:35 AM
 
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What if there was something that paid better wages? What if Wal Mart had to raise their wages, not because of a minimum wage law, but because they couldn't staff a store unless they paid higher wages? I'm saying there's other possibilities.
If the labor market was such that Walmart could not find people at the wages they offer, they would likely offer more. Or, not expand.

Do you have some point?
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And?

Is one small business somehow less of a business because they don't try to directly compete with Wal*Mart?

I'm not understanding the point of your comment.
When Walmart comes in direct competition dies off.
And if Walmart doesn't make their revenue numbers then Walmart will close shop and move leaving the towns lacking for goods and services.
Some towns never recover either.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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What you don't subtract is the number of jobs lost by small businesses in that area that close due to WalMart's predatory business practices.
What "predatory business practices" would those be?


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Study proves it: Walmart super-stores kill off local small businesses - NY Daily News

So, if that math holds, those 300 WalMart jobs will result in a loss of 450 other jobs.
The math doesn't hold. Nor does the logic.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:39 AM
 
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When Walmart comes in direct competition dies off.
And if Walmart doesn't make their revenue numbers then Walmart will close shop and move leaving the towns lacking for goods and services.
Some towns never recover either.
Wow, this is unbelievably wrong.

How can a local economy 'benefit' by paying $4 for a $2 can of soup?

How can an economy survive when cars killed off the horse and buggy industry?
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:40 AM
 
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What a backwards argument that reflects mirror thinking. Because conservatives dislike welfare per se, liberals must love welfare for everything.

Liberals believe welfare, which is Temporary Assistance For Needy Families (TANF), which helps children, is necessary to help needy families. That doesn't mean liberals want welfare to subsidize a multi-billion dollar corporation's labor costs.

Where? How about Appalachia? Nobody can argue that the people who live there are better off with cash payments. However, welfare's work requirements is problematic, because there are few jobs.
Its a complete asinine argument to suggest that welfare to help out those "needy" people.. are subsidizing a multi billin dollar corporation... But here you are..
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: it depends
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To some degree. The problem is collusion amongst the eliltes.
The mega corps can effect the market and enable forces that push wages lower.
More than 1.5 million Americans wake up every day and show up for work at Walmart. Why? Evidently, each of those people has determined that the highest and best use of their time is to go ahead and punch in. For every single one of them, Walmart is bidding more for their labor than any other employer. Walmart is presenting them with the best opportunity they have.

If they did not want to be there, or if the wages were below market value, they would not show up for work.

Walmart provides less than 1% of US jobs. Why are all you economically illiterate types trying to act like Walmart has engaged in anything other than voluntary association for mutual benefit? Honestly, some of you sound as ignorant as Barack Obama.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Wow, this is unbelievably wrong.

How can a local economy 'benefit' by paying $4 for a $2 can of soup?

How can an economy survive when cars killed off the horse and buggy industry?
No it's not wrong..it's reality.

Walmart drives off competition with their "Everyday low prices".
Walmart can do that because of quantity.

The mom & pops cannot compete with that.

How do you know that the soup is $2 marked up to $4 ?
What if it is $4 but Walmart gets quantity discount to offer it for $2.
That's how Walmart operates.
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