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Old 01-18-2014, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How about all males undergo reversible vasectomies after puberty, then when they want to have a child, they have to get a consenting female to sign a contract to have a child with them before they can have the vasectomy reversed.

That would reduce unwanted pregnancies, abortions, men whining about having to financially support their own children etc.

Vasectomies aren't 100% effective.
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Old 01-18-2014, 07:56 PM
 
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Part of the problem is that many men aren't interested in actually taking care of their children. The assumption is that men will only be paying child support which does not really cover half the child's expenses. Now this is in large part men's fault.
Part of the problem is that is a complete and utter lie and a stereotype. If anything, with hundreds of thousands of abortions each year, the fact that men pay more child support than women do, the fact that men who have to pay child support actually pay it more so than women who are ordered to, the fact that many men actually fight in vain to get more than 4 days a month with their children, the fact that child support is based on the income of "both parents" and men usually earn more than women, and the fact that even though men often have to pay more of their income for support they do not get any tax benefits, I'd say that you're completely full of it and that the actually facts and number show that it's women who actually aren't interested in and AREN'T FORCED TO A take care of their responsibilities.
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Old 01-18-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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If you're having sex, and you're an adult, good golly be an adult about it. Sex can always lead to pregnancy, even if you use multiple forms of birth control. If you're unable or unwilling to raise a child, then don't do adult things like have sex. Talk to your partner so you know you're on the same page. And even then her mind could change once she becomes pregnant, so take responsibility yourself.

It doesn't matter that the women can choose or not choose to have an abortion if she ends up pregnant. You have a choice before that which can prevent the problem.

A harder issue is when the man wants the child and the woman does not.
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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How about all males undergo reversible vasectomies after puberty, then when they want to have a child, they have to get a consenting female to sign a contract to have a child with them before they can have the vasectomy reversed.

That would reduce unwanted pregnancies, abortions, men whining about having to financially support their own children etc.

Great Idea Ceist! While we're at it we should remove female's uterus after puberty too, then when they want to have a child, they have to get a consenting male to sign a contract to have a child with them before they can have their uterus replace.

That too would help reduce unwanted pregnancies, abortions, and women whining about father's having a say so, and men whining about having to pay MORE than fair share. It would also cut down on the epidemic of dead beat women who get pregnant and want to kill off their responsibilities...


I think we're on to something here!
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:06 PM
 
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If you're having sex, and you're an adult, good golly be an adult about it. Sex can always lead to pregnancy, even if you use multiple forms of birth control. If you're unable or unwilling to raise a child, then don't do adult things like have sex. Talk to your partner so you know you're on the same page. And even then her mind could change once she becomes pregnant, so take responsibility yourself.

It doesn't matter that the women can choose or not choose to have an abortion if she ends up pregnant. You have a choice before that which can prevent the problem.

A harder issue is when the man wants the child and the woman does not.
I agree 100%. I think that BOTH sexes should be responsible BEFORE having sex and then take responsibility of their actions AFTERWARD. The door should swing both ways instead of demonizing and degrading men for doing the same thing that women are doing.
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Vasectomies aren't 100% effective.
The failure rate is only about 1 in a 1000 with today's techniques. The method (or something similar) could be refined and improved with more research. I think that all those men who whine about having to financially support their own children could sign up to be test subjects. I understand the pain goes away in a few days and it's nothing compared to the pain of pregnancy/childbirth or side effects of the Pill etc for women.

Of course it would only really work if it was mandated by the government and all males had to have it done. People who want the government to make abortion illegal for women should have no problem with the government taking away men's rights over their own bodies.

Whatcha reckon?
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:13 PM
 
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Part of the problem is that is a complete and utter lie and a stereotype. If anything, with hundreds of thousands of abortions each year, the fact that men pay more child support than women do, the fact that men who have to pay child support actually pay it more so than women who are ordered to, the fact that many men actually fight in vain to get more than 4 days a month with their children, the fact that child support is based on the income of "both parents" and men usually earn more than women, and the fact that even though men often have to pay more of their income for support they do not get any tax benefits, I'd say that you're completely full of it and that the actually facts and number show that it's women who actually aren't interested in and AREN'T FORCED TO A take care of their responsibilities.
Are you a parent?
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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Are you a parent?
Are you? If you have a point you want to make that you're attempting to set me up for, then simply make it.
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Texas
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They are both equally responsible.

Why is that so hard to understand?
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Old 01-18-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Part of the problem is that is a complete and utter lie and a stereotype. If anything, with hundreds of thousands of abortions each year, the fact that men pay more child support than women do, the fact that men who have to pay child support actually pay it more so than women who are ordered to, the fact that many men actually fight in vain to get more than 4 days a month with their children, the fact that child support is based on the income of "both parents" and men usually earn more than women, and the fact that even though men often have to pay more of their income for support they do not get any tax benefits, I'd say that you're completely full of it and that the actually facts and number show that it's women who actually aren't interested in and AREN'T FORCED TO A take care of their responsibilities.
Because all responsibility is is money, right?

Never mind that the fact (your favorite term) is that women do most of the child rearing in pretty much every set-up...married, unmarried, etc.
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