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Old 01-30-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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OK So I've thought about it, heres my take:

This is a BS way of saying "we're going to provide a way to make all the illegals "legal" for the businesses that give them work instead of our citizens, who might actually demand wages commensurate with the hard work.

We allow people to become citizens here, they need to follow those paths. If they aren't, they're criminals-and we don't need people violating the law here.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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My thought is that they might mean "permanent resident" or "resident alien" who qualify for EVERY benefit that a citizen does, EXCEPT the right to vote. That would be Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, SSI, Section 8, etc. I hope that's not it. Our social safety nets are fragile enough.
am·nes·ty

noun \ˈam-nə-stē\ : a decision that a group of people will not be punished

If citizens of another country violate our immigration laws, and congress wries a law to not punish them, then it's amnesty, plain and simple.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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am·nes·ty

noun \ˈam-nə-stē\ : a decision that a group of people will not be punished

If citizens of another country violate our immigration laws, and congress wries a law to not punish them, then it's amnesty, plain and simple.
yup. no getting around it.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I was giving an overview...I have not written any legislation.
Never claimed you did.
IMO My questions in regards to the proposed legislation are valid. Why spend billions in pork when systems can be put in place for much less that will be much more effective.
The Immigration reform bill generated by the senate is filled with waste and pork that will actually do nothing meaningful to actually address what is wrong with our immigration system.

As someone who has walked side by side with someone going through the system let me tell you. The system is laced with needless redundancy and top heavy with people basically doing the same exact jobs over and over causing needless delays.
The idea that we some how owe illegals a path is absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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am·nes·ty

noun \ˈam-nə-stē\ : a decision that a group of people will not be punished

If citizens of another country violate our immigration laws, and congress wries a law to not punish them, then it's amnesty, plain and simple.
Agreed. But if it's a matter of giving them "permanent resident alien" status like the last amnesty, my estimation is that it would lead to even more drain on our entitlement systems. In my line of work, I encounter plenty of immigrants who qualify for those entitlements as "permanent resident aliens". One need not be a full fledged citizen to qualify for all of those benefits.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Trying to pretend that letting the illegal aliens stay is "not amnesty", is what liberals say when they get tired of trying to pretend the socialistic programs they are pushing are "not socialism".
Do you realize that the path to legal status without citizenship is the Republican proposal?
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Do you realize that the path to legal status without citizenship is the Republican proposal?
Those Republicans are some of the liberals I was referring to.

Plus nearly all the members of the Democrat party, of course.

(Let me guess: You were going to try to pretend Republicans are conservative, right? )
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Pa
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OK So I've thought about it, heres my take:

This is a BS way of saying "we're going to provide a way to make all the illegals "legal" for the businesses that give them work instead of our citizens, who might actually demand wages commensurate with the hard work.

We allow people to become citizens here, they need to follow those paths. If they aren't, they're criminals-and we don't need people violating the law here.
Exactly. The first test to see if an immigrant is worthy of the gift of a VISA or to enter this country is did they respect our laws enough to apply for a VISA and wait to be accepted. Not unlike the respect someone shows by knocking on your door and waiting to be invited in before entering.

The second test is when here do they obey our laws? So far the majority of illegals have failed the first 2 tests. There are those who over stayed their VISA's thus failing test #2.
International law recognizes a nation's right to determine their own immigration laws. These laws don't need to be perceived as fair by any applicant, but these laws should be to the benefit of the nation to be valid.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Do you realize that the path to legal status without citizenship is the Republican proposal?
Thus proving that there is not a shred of difference between the 2 major parties other than rhetoric.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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Trying to pretend that letting the illegal aliens stay is "not amnesty", is what liberals say when they get tired of trying to pretend the socialistic programs they are pushing are "not socialism".

If they can find an I you haven't dotted or a T you haven't crossed, they'll whip out their dictionary and insist that your amnesty isn't amnesty.

Just the usual lying and distorting.
You need to look into this issue a little deeper. It's not the all the liberals doing this. It is the US Chamber of Commerce. They want the cheap labor to continue to drive down labor cost.

Now couple the Republican establishment and the religious left wanting to save the world and we now have the perfect storm.

Go read up at Numbers USA.
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