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The story quoted misrepresents the CBO report. In fact, the CBO finds that the ACA is not leading to a reduction in work hours as employers seek to avoid paying insurance. The reason that the hours worked may fall that is given by CBO should actually be more interesting than that to the conservative mindset. The CBO predicts that workers will choose to work fewer hours Why? Because, and here is the kicker for the cons, the ACA will result in increased taxes and more benefits to workers so they will be less willing to work for a living than they are now. In other words, workers will take the free stuff over a day's wages.
Sure, people on the bubble will face the equivalent of 150% tax rates: an improvement in income might cost them so much in income and payroll taxes, PLUS a loss of ACA subsidy. Democrat social engineering makes us all poorer, again.
Why not be all you can be? Why not make the most of what you have to work with? Why not unlock the highest fraction of your own potential? Because in Obamaland, it will cost you. It uses North Korean-style economic incentives. No wonder we have the crappiest recovery in 60 years.
The story quoted misrepresents the CBO report. In fact, the CBO finds that the ACA is not leading to a reduction in work hours as employers seek to avoid paying insurance. The reason that the hours worked may fall that is given by CBO should actually be more interesting than that to the conservative mindset. The CBO predicts that workers will choose to work fewer hours Why? Because, and here is the kicker for the cons, the ACA will result in increased taxes and more benefits to workers so they will be less willing to work for a living than they are now. In other words, workers will take the free stuff over a day's wages.
And you know why ? The "free stuff" is worth more than the wages they give up.
Finally the government is waking up.
Those min wage workers crying for $15/hour don't realize they need $28-30/hour to be able to get off SNAP, medicaid and free lunch for their kids and that's just 4 programs on a dollar for dollar basis.
The "free stuff" today is worth more than increased wages.
I've been saying that and supplying the numbers to prove it.
Take Obamacare..make $1 more and you lose out on thousands of subsidy money..thousands.
Government does this all the time. It's all or none, never a dollar for dollar give and take.
When my son was young I paid for the low deductible plan because kids eat it up pretty quick.
Definitely worth the extra money.
Once my son got older I switched over to the high deductible and went for the low payments because medical care was not as needed.
Obamacare screwed it all up with high premiums that are subsidized and high deductibles.
It's not a good deal at all unless you go for those low cost HMO plans and hope the hell you never need to use them.
Exactly.
And that's what ACA supporters fail to understand.
So much limited choices these days. What was considered a HSA compatible $3000 max in network deductible is now a $6000 HSA compatible for the same premiums.
Or to keep that same $3000 deductible you lose your HSA tax advantages and have your premiums jacked up 40-50% and that same 2013 policy now is considerd at least a "silver" plan.
And that's what ACA supporters fail to understand.
So much limited choices these days. What was considered a HSA compatible $3000 max in network deductible is now a $6000 HSA compatible for the same premiums.
Or to keep that same $3000 deductible you lose your HSA tax advantages and have your premiums jacked up 40-50% and that same 2013 policy now is considerd at least a "silver" plan.
If there are still ACA supporters out there they obviously do not have the capacity to comprehend the intelligent posts in this thread.
Both sides of the proverbial Aisle should be disgusted at what ACA has propagated on this nation.
It really took this boondoggle to eliminate pre-exisiting conditions?
Pretty much common sense ? I mean who thought companies would be happy to pay out more money out of their income ? You will see more people looking for part time jobs to make up for the loss of hours, i guess thats OBAMAS increase of jobs huh ? LOL
That's not what the CBO's numbers say. Read the little blurb. It says employees will voluntarily work less because the ACA. Not that the demand for labor will decrease. SMH.
Amazing how this was predicted but ignored.
The most frsutrating part is some people actually believe Whitehouse.gov in that ACA (OBAMAcare) is working.
I guess it is working if the ultimate goal to ba acheived (in machiavellian fashion) is UHC.
That article doesn't confirm what that other poster wrote. Did you read the blurb from the CBO report that you supplied? SMH.
That's not what the CBO's numbers say. Read the little blurb. It says employees will voluntarily work less because the ACA. Not that the demand for labor will decrease. SMH.
Pelosi was right then. Obamacare gives them more time to pursue their hobbies or stay at home and enjoy their families.
It is truly a sad sight to behold conservatives quote a statistic from the CBO as the gospel truth and then ignore the reason the same CBO gives for the statistic.
This whole thread highlights what is wrong with conservatism a fundamental rejection of reality.
It is right there the CBO reports says starting in 2017 -2024 x thing will happen for these reasons.
conservatives embrace the x thing will happen part but reject the for these reasons explanation.
conservatives continue to drift further and further away from reality.
That's not what the CBO's numbers say. Read the little blurb. It says employees will voluntarily work less because the ACA. Not that the demand for labor will decrease. SMH.
That makes no sense at all.
If I need 200 hours of labor to run my company a week, and I have 5 employees, and they all decide to work less hours, this means I'd have to hire an additional person.
The demand for labor doesnt disappear.. as you just stated, so people working less hours wouldnt result in less employees, it would mean more people..
It is truly a sad sight to behold conservatives quote a statistic from the CBO as the gospel truth and then ignore the reason the same CBO gives for the statistic.
This whole thread highlights what is wrong with conservatism a fundamental rejection of reality.
It is right there the CBO reports says starting in 2017 -2024 x thing will happen for these reasons.
conservatives embrace the x thing will happen part but reject the for these reasons explanation.
conservatives continue to drift further and further away from reality.
So people volunteering to work less hours so they can get a subsidy from the government, is "good" news to you?
You must love welfare...
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