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Old 02-04-2014, 07:37 PM
 
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Are there actually 2 million US workers who will voluntarily drop to part time and give up full time wages ?
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:44 PM
 
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Are there actually 2 million US workers who will voluntarily drop to part time and give up full time wages ?
Who knows, but I know of people who only work full time because of the health insurance and the fact that it is unaffordable on the individual market.

I have heard people say if we get universal health insurance, I am going to quit my job and go back to school, or quit my job and focus on this business I do as a hobby. Obviously the ACA is not universal health insurance, but clearly the extent that health insurance is untied from your employer that means people are less likely to work or demand higher wages to work if they can get affordable healthcare elsewhere.
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Again, I am not babbling about anything. The CBO estimates there will be fewer hours worked by employees voluntarily.

You keep trying to make this about me, but the source of your confusion is not me. The source of your confusion/conflict seems to be based on wanting to cheer these CBO projections as proving that the ACA is a job killer while facing the reality that the CBO report doesn't say that it will be a job killer.
Once again, the employee voluntarily reducing their hours, doesnt remove the demand for an employee. I'm not making it at all about you, I'm pointing out you excusing people reducing their hours has NOTHING to do with 80,000,000 lost hours..

A pizza cant deliver itself, if the employee reduces their hours, who the hell is delivering the pizza? An employer has to make up the reduced hours from the employee by others or the business doesnt function.

where the hell is 80,000,000 hours of labor going?

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Old 02-04-2014, 08:15 PM
 
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Once again, the employee voluntarily reducing their hours, doesnt remove the demand for an employee. I'm not making it at all about you, I'm pointing out you excusing people reducing their hours has NOTHING to do with 80,000,000 lost hours..

A pizza cant deliver itself, if the employee reduces their hours, who the hell is delivering the pizza? An employer has to make up the reduced hours from the employee by others or the business doesnt function.

where the hell is 80,000,000 hours of labor going?
The 80 million labor hours are going away. Or maybe not, we'll see.
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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Who knows, but I know of people who only work full time because of the health insurance and the fact that it is unaffordable on the individual market.

I have heard people say if we get universal health insurance, I am going to quit my job and go back to school, or quit my job and focus on this business I do as a hobby. Obviously the ACA is not universal health insurance, but clearly the extent that health insurance is untied from your employer that means people are less likely to work or demand higher wages to work if they can get affordable healthcare elsewhere.

Tying health insurance to employment hurts entrepreneurship in this country. I belong to a national small business discussion network, before the ACA many people were forced to keep their corporate jobs because they couldn't get individual health insurance do to any preexisting condition in their family. Many believe having health insurance is the responsible way to live. Those they feel they don't "need" it, are the ones who will end up in the ER racking up huge bills they likely won't be able to pay, any body can get sick or injured at any time. People are now able to voluntarily leave their corporate jobs to start a business, go to school, spend more time caring for their families, etc.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:26 AM
 
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Are there actually 2 million US workers who will voluntarily drop to part time and give up full time wages ?
Since the ACA allows people that option economically, the CBO feels that many will do that as well as retire early, start small business, etc. It's the affordability of HC that gives people that option.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:30 AM
 
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Once again, the employee voluntarily reducing their hours, doesnt remove the demand for an employee. I'm not making it at all about you, I'm pointing out you excusing people reducing their hours has NOTHING to do with 80,000,000 lost hours..

A pizza cant deliver itself, if the employee reduces their hours, who the hell is delivering the pizza? An employer has to make up the reduced hours from the employee by others or the business doesnt function.

where the hell is 80,000,000 hours of labor going?
Read the CBO report. If your don't find the answers there based on their projections then reject their projections.

But what doesn't make sense to me is to embrace the CBO projections yet reject their explaination or not understand their explanation.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:33 AM
 
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Tying health insurance to employment hurts entrepreneurship in this country. I belong to a national small business discussion network, before the ACA many people were forced to keep their corporate jobs because they couldn't get individual health insurance do to any preexisting condition in their family. Many believe having health insurance is the responsible way to live. Those they feel they don't "need" it, are the ones who will end up in the ER racking up huge bills they likely won't be able to pay, any body can get sick or injured at any time. People are now able to voluntarily leave their corporate jobs to start a business, go to school, spend more time caring for their families, etc.
Yes, those are very real possibilities as long as the ACA and the exchanges provides people with the ability to get health insurance untied to their employer.
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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Default CBO: Obamacare Will Lead To 2 Million Fewer Workers In The Labor Force By 2017

The main reason is that lower income people will choose to accept government handouts rather than work additional hours to support themselves. Just one more instance of the government rewarding laziness and sloth at the expense of those willing to work.

Of course Obama is in high damage control, spitting out more lies and half-truths.

CBO: Obamacare Will Lead To 2 Million Fewer Workers In The Labor Force By 2017
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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This has been posted before and debunked as a lie already
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