Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-03-2007, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
4,714 posts, read 8,461,458 times
Reputation: 1052

Advertisements

The Dubya Administration will have almost doubled the national debt to around $10 trillion by the time he leaves.

U.S. debt: $30,000 per American - USATODAY.com

//
The national debt — the total accumulation of annual budget deficits — is up from $5.7 trillion when President Bush took office in January 2001 and it will top $10 trillion sometime right before or right after he leaves in January 2009.
...

Japan is first with $586 billion, followed by China ($400 billion) and Britain ($244 billion). Saudi Arabia and other oil-exporting countries account for $123 billion, according to the Treasury.
...

"We pay in interest four times more than we spend on education and four times what it will cost to cover 10 million children with health insurance for five years," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "That's fiscal irresponsibility. [And I voted for it, too.]"
...

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, said he's more concerned that interest on the national debt will become unsustainable than he is that foreign countries will dump their dollar holdings — something that would undermine the value of their own vast holdings. "We're going to have to shell out a lot of resources to make those interest payments. There's a very strong argument as to why it's vital that we address our budget issues before they get measurably worse," Zandi said.

"Of course, that's not going to happen until after the next president is in the White House," he added.
//

Last edited by ParkTwain; 12-03-2007 at 03:18 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-03-2007, 02:19 PM
 
Location: America
6,993 posts, read 17,365,632 times
Reputation: 2093
sweet,

gives us all something to look forward to
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2007, 02:29 PM
 
11,135 posts, read 14,193,095 times
Reputation: 3696
And people still actually have the gall to call this man a conservative!

blaspheme.

I hope they don't build the wall on the Mexican border just yet, we may all need a place to go when the peso is worth more than a dollar.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2007, 03:14 PM
 
Location: wrong planet
5,168 posts, read 11,438,772 times
Reputation: 4379
Yes, Mexico is looking like a good place to retire to.

Bush is the president that has done the most damage to the US, IMO. Not only did he run up the debt, he has squandered the good reputation the US had and he has failed to prepare this country for the future, by not aggressively pursuing alternative energy sources.
He has mortgaged the future of coming generations.
Shame on him.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2007, 03:51 PM
 
9,725 posts, read 15,171,221 times
Reputation: 3346
Yeah, Bush was a "conservative" all right...

He cut taxes and spent even more than the last 10 presidents combined. His motto was "Let's charge it!"

Way to go George!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2007, 04:38 PM
 
6,762 posts, read 11,630,098 times
Reputation: 3028
The only conservative thing about Bush is the amount of common sense he was born with...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2007, 04:43 PM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,108,083 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by ParkTwain View Post
The Dubya Administration will have almost doubled the national debt to around $10 trillion by the time he leaves.

U.S. debt: $30,000 per American - USATODAY.com

//
The national debt — the total accumulation of annual budget deficits — is up from $5.7 trillion when President Bush took office in January 2001 and it will top $10 trillion sometime right before or right after he leaves in January 2009.
...

Japan is first with $586 billion, followed by China ($400 billion) and Britain ($244 billion). Saudi Arabia and other oil-exporting countries account for $123 billion, according to the Treasury.
...

"We pay in interest four times more than we spend on education and four times what it will cost to cover 10 million children with health insurance for five years," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "That's fiscal irresponsibility. [And I voted for it, too.]"
...

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com, said he's more concerned that interest on the national debt will become unsustainable than he is that foreign countries will dump their dollar holdings — something that would undermine the value of their own vast holdings. "We're going to have to shell out a lot of resources to make those interest payments. There's a very strong argument as to why it's vital that we address our budget issues before they get measurably worse," Zandi said.

"Of course, that's not going to happen until after the next president is in the White House," he added.
//
But you mean the national debt CONTINUES to rise? Even though the House Budget committee passed a "Pay as you go" rule in January?

How could the national debt continue to rise if EVERYONE (so dont come back slamming me for simply pointing out the fact that ALL OF THEM) are required to pay for bills as we go, instead of raising the national debt even higher?

Per the House website "House instituted a tough pay-as-you-go rule requiring all new net mandatory spending and revenue reductions to be offset. And the House has steadfastedly enforced the pay-as-you-go rule on every bill that it considered, despite initial skepticism that such discipline could be maintained."

I'm at a loss for words because there goes the theory of "fiscially responsibility" on BOTH sides..

"Most troubling to me was the readiness of both [the prior] Congress and the [Bush] administration to abandon fiscal discipline... ‘Deficits don’t matter,’ to my chagrin, became part of Republicans’ rhetoric.” Alan Greenspan, “The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World.”
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-03-2007, 06:06 PM
 
9,725 posts, read 15,171,221 times
Reputation: 3346
Quote:
Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
But you mean the national debt CONTINUES to rise? Even though the House Budget committee passed a "Pay as you go" rule in January?

How could the national debt continue to rise if EVERYONE (so dont come back slamming me for simply pointing out the fact that ALL OF THEM) are required to pay for bills as we go, instead of raising the national debt even higher?

Per the House website "House instituted a tough pay-as-you-go rule requiring all new net mandatory spending and revenue reductions to be offset. And the House has steadfastedly enforced the pay-as-you-go rule on every bill that it considered, despite initial skepticism that such discipline could be maintained."

I'm at a loss for words because there goes the theory of "fiscially responsibility" on BOTH sides..

"Most troubling to me was the readiness of both [the prior] Congress and the [Bush] administration to abandon fiscal discipline... ‘Deficits don’t matter,’ to my chagrin, became part of Republicans’ rhetoric.” Alan Greenspan, “The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World.”
Don't forget: Stuff like the War in Iraq is not considered "mandatory spending" and is an "off-budget" item. So interest will continue to rise as long as the debt continues to rise.

We had a chance (and it was a fleeting chance) to balance the annual budget (in other words, not add to the national debt but merely balance our income/expenses for the year) under President Clinton -- but GWB decided that the USA was going to have too much money and he needed to give everyone some of it back. So, instead of applying any extra money the government was getting to the national debt -- he gave us all a tax refund instead!!

Thank you GWB!!!!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:16 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top