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Violate Judaism, indeed!
We had synagogues with their own floats at the last Pride parade I went to, and we have rabbis conducting same sex marriages. We even have gay rabbis. Temple
You just want everyone to adhere to YOUR type of uber-orthodox Judaism, which as absurd and close-minded as the Lev Tahor we're having so many problems with up here.
You're an extremist, and nobody should cater to extremists.
I hope everyone reading realizes that photo above, and this post, are more representative of the Jewish-American attitude towards equality. Most of us are fully in support of gay rights & marriage, and I too have had a gay (lesbian) rabbi who marches in SF Pride - along with a local gay minister - almost every year.
Ironically, someone on a now-closed thread about Christian persecution asked if "religious loons" included Jews and Muslims. See exhibit A on this thread, lol.
But there is no difference in the actual cake? So what does the cake maker have to do with the wedding? If my cake maker wasn't a family member, I wouldn't have invited them to my wife and I's straight marriage.
Making a cake is a business transaction, not a religious transaction, which seems to be a concept you struggle to grasp.
It has nothing to do with the cake it has to do with people's personal convictions. It may be a business transaction to you but not to everyone else.
Oh please. This is the same baker who accepted an order of a wedding cake for a DOG wedding.
You provided no link, so I'll assume this is true.
However, the love and affection that people feel toward their pets, and the play acting of human activities with them, is not sin, and therefore there is no prohibition imposed by their faith, nor is there any matter of conscience involved. There is no reason for them to feel any guilt, as they are not in violation of any of scriptural teaching regarding how Christians ought to live their lives.
Sorry, but there is a law that prevents people from using their religion to be a bigot towards others in the business sense. But feel free to be as big of a bigot as you want in your personal life.
So, since when has religious liberty been reduced to "bigotry?" How far are we going to take this?
Refusing to bake them a cake simply because they are gay is just them expressing bigotry. Next thing you know a gay person, or a divorced person could not buy a donut, or a Muslim baker could put out a sign banning Jews and Christians, or a vegetarian baker banning anyone who eats red meat.
Baking a cake is not forcing the baker to be an active participant in the wedding, nor does it require acceptance of the wedding or prevent the baker from practicing their religion.
Your first paragraph is ridiculous, because nobody is advocating for refusal of service that does not offend ones conscientiously held religious beliefs. Simply because you do not like what one eats, and selling donuts made by the dozens and offered for sale does not involve doing anything that places the person in the position of having to "serve" in a way that would make one complicit, or an active participant in what he regards as sin.
There actually is relevant scripture here: Ephesians 5:5-7
5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person — such a man is an idolater — has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things, God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
[Study note: partners Although Christians live in normal social relationships with others, as did the Lord Jesus, they are not to participate in the sinful life-style of unbelievers.
Though Jesus ate with sinners and mingled with sinners, Jesus had in mind repentance "unto salvation."
No place in scripture does Jesus mandate his followers to forsake their consciences, or celebrate or be complicit in sinful behavior (which the baker is being compelled to do by being forced to use his creative talents for a ceremony he believes is wrong).
We are to serve all, but we are not to ignore sin.
Same-sex marriage is a trial balloon of sorts, being used to test how far Americans will allow their consciences to be suppressed by the State.
“If Christians can be compelled to lend a craft to something their conscience objects to, what can’t they be compelled to participate in? — Emphasis mine
Further, the author says this:
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This battle is much bigger than anybody thinks it is. We cannot see the forest for the trees. We are not witnessing a clash of rights; we are in the middle of a massive social experiment. This is a test for the viability of incremental totalitarianism. Nothing less.
You provided no link, so I'll assume this is true.
However, the love and affection that people feel toward their pets, and the play acting of human activities with them, is not sin, and therefore there is no prohibition imposed by their faith, nor is there any matter of conscience involved. There is no reason for them to feel any guilt, as they are not in violation of any of scriptural teaching regarding how Christians ought to live their lives.
So making a mockery of the so-called "sanctity of marriage" by baking a wedding cake for a DOG wedding decorated with the names "Roscoe" and "Buffy" is okay for so-called "devout Christians" with 'sincerely held religious beliefs". Got it.
And baking a cake for a divorce party and a pagan celebration is just peachy too. Got it.
what is a dog wedding?
and why should it be forbidden?
Well apparently a wedding celebration for 2 dogs is perfectly in keeping with the sincere religious beliefs about the sanctity of marriage...for some so-called devout Christians.
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So what does the cake maker have to do with the wedding? If my cake maker wasn't a family member, I wouldn't have invited them to my wife and I's straight marriage.
Vindicated! Others making my case.
