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Old 02-25-2014, 10:24 PM
 
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Redlining.


Maybe this explains a good amount of the problems we see in many Black areas?



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The decay of minority inner city neighborhoods from withheld mortgage capital and difficulty for neighborhoods to attract and retain families able to purchase homes was aggravated by the implementation of this federal policy.

Redlining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Redlining continues in black neighborhoods - St. Louis American: Guest Columnists


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Old 02-25-2014, 10:27 PM
 
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I'm not so sure that Redlining was particularly racist. But it was definitely pernicious.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:33 PM
 
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I was wondering if redlining played a role in reducing the numbers of Black owned businesses? I've heard for years that access to capital was a big obstacle for Black entrepreneurs.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Of COURSE redlining was racist. Neighborhoods were rated A B C or D and usually got a D if there "was a presence of negroes" or "infiltration of jews on the Eastern edge of the area". These are actually ways that neighborhoods were rated and described.

This, along with the real estate practice of "blockbusting" made it nearly impossible for many blacks to grow equity or obtain loans.

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Old 02-26-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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I think the lack of good schools and economic opportunities in the area caused many to turn to crime and poverty.

If liberals would give them school vouchers, and cut taxes so businesses can come into those areas, you would see the black areas improve. This goes for any rough area, black, white, etc...
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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Of COURSE redlining was racist. Neighborhoods were rated A B C or D and usually got a D if there "was a presence of negroes" or "infiltration of jews on the Eastern edge of the area". These are actually ways that neighborhoods were rated and described.

This, along with the real estate practice of "blockbusting" made it nearly impossible for many blacks to grow equity or obtain loans.
I thought it was for people who couldn't pay the bills.

In 1994, a class-action lawsuit was filed against CitiBank, demanding that loans be made to poor people, and others who could not show proof that they could pay the money back. The basis of the lawsuit was the 14th Amendment, which requires 'fair and equal' treatment for all citizens.

There goes that word FAIR again.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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The legal theory was that failing to loan money to poor, unemployed people was, on it's face, a discriminatory act by lending institutions. Thousands of loans were processed, and of course many went into default, in part explaining why we're in the financial mess we're in.

It's easy for some people to point the finger of blame at Pres. Bush for this crisis. What many people don't know is the suit was filed during the Clinton Administration. The lawyer filing the suit was none other than Barak Hussein Obama.

Obama: Who cares if they can't pay the borrowed money back.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The answer is no, according to economist Walter E. Williams of George Mason U.
https://www.creators.com/opinion/wal...-and-race.html

There has been a long debate about this among economists. There was a famous study done at the Boston Fed in 1992, done after a 1989 law required lenders to record the race of home loan applicants.

Race, Mortgages and Statistics - The Unending Debate Over a Study of Lending Bias - NYTimes.com

This study was widely circulated in the press, and was used by James Johnson, then Fannie Mae CEO to relax lending requirements in the name of fighting racism. This was an important factor in the housing bubble and economic catastrophe of 2008.

The study was widely criticized as flawed, and IIRC even the lead author later backed off from the notion that she had demonstrated conclusive evidence of discrimination in the mortgage industry. And she certainly disavowed the way it was used by Clinton's buddy Johnson.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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I think the lack of good schools and economic opportunities in the area caused many to turn to crime and poverty.

If liberals would give them school vouchers, and cut taxes so businesses can come into those areas, you would see the black areas improve. This goes for any rough area, black, white, etc...
Vouchers don't improve schools; they just make the "bad" schools worse, by pulling away more students and funding.

Taxes are sort of a "chicken and egg" thing. Taxes are high in impoverished areas because the tax base is small. So, to cut taxes, would necessarily require cutting services. (and, by services, I'm not talking about welfare, as that comes from different sources)
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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(and, by services, I'm not talking about welfare, as that comes from different sources)
NOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOO Don't cut welfare!!!!
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