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Old 03-03-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Appearing on NBC’s Meet The Press, California Governor Jerry Brown said that he was not prepared to completely legalize marijuana in his state.

Asked by host David Gregory if legalizing marijuana was “a good idea or a bad idea for California?”, Brown replied that he would like to wait and see what happens in Colorado and Washington, two states that recently liberalized their marijuana laws.

Ca. Gov. Jerrry Brown: World is ‘too dangerous’ for a nation of potheads | The Raw Story
If today's marijuana was the same as the marijuana of the 1980's, then I would consider supporting legalization.

The marijuana of the 1980's had a THC content of 1% - 3% (THC is the active ingredient in marijuana.)

But because of marijuana growers selectively breeding marijuana plants for increased potency, today's marijuana has a THC content of 10% - 20%+.

The Australians have even created marijuana with a 40% THC level.
Australian Marijuana Has The Highest Levels Of THC: Could It Top Amsterdam As The Next 'Weed Capital'?
40% THC? Australians Are Growing The World's Strongest Pot - TruthOnPot.com


In many marijuana users the marijuana of the 1980's with a THC content of 1%-3% caused laziness, poor school performance, decreased social skills, increased risk of mental illness, ex.ex.

And its possible that today's marijuana with a 20%+ THC content, will increase the rate of the above side effects of marijuana, and make those negative effects 10x worse.

Someone or some government branch needs to regulate the THC content of marijuana in states where it has been legalized, but unfortunately no one cares about this issue, and no one even wants to talk about it.

Chad.

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Old 03-03-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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If today's marijuana was the same as the marijuana of the 1980's, then I would consider supporting legalization.

The marijuana of the 1980's had a THC content of 1% - 3% (THC is the active ingredient in marijuana.)

But because of marijuana growers selectively breeding marijuana plants for increased potency, today's marijuana has a THC content of 10% - 20%+.

The Australians have even created marijuana with a 40% THC level.
Australian Marijuana Has The Highest Levels Of THC: Could It Top Amsterdam As The Next 'Weed Capital'?
40% THC? Australians Are Growing The World's Strongest Pot - TruthOnPot.com


In many marijuana users the marijuana of the 1980's with a THC content of 1%-3% caused laziness, poor school performance, decreased social skills, increased risk of mental illness, ex.ex.

And its possible that today's marijuana with a 20%+ THC content, will increase the rate of the above side effects of marijuana, and make those negative effects 10x worse.

Someone or some government branch needs to regulate the THC content of marijuana in states where it has been legalized, but unfortunately no one cares about this issue, and no one even wants to talk about it.

Chad.
Gee Chad, where do I begin? Marijuana potency has varied across the decades, so nothing new there. We've had hash since the 1930's. You know what hash is? Google it. It's a concentrate derived from marijuana, and it's more powerful. The world hasn't ended because of hash, and it won't because of the new waxy concentrates.

Higher THC potency just means that you will use less. Here's an analogy. Beer and Vodka. Beer has a low alcohol content, vodka is higher. To get the same "buzz" you have to drink more beer or less vodka.

FYI - there is a limit to how high you can get on marijuana. After that you are just wasting it. Increased THC is not going to increase the effects, you will just get there quicker and you may stay there a bit longer. Don't forget, it's non-toxic, so, no fear of overdose.

You need to do more research. NJ for one, and there are others, including the US Gov, in it's little known medical program, limit the potency of the cannabis they provide.

Stop reading all the anti-cannabis literature and start reading other sources so you get a balanced view. Only then will you be able to separate the studies with an agenda from the ones that don't have one. Pay attention to who is doing the study and who is funding them.

There is no evidence that: 1% to 3% THC potency marijuana caused laziness, poor school performance, decreased social skills, increased risk of mental illness, ex.ex. nor does it follow that higher potency marijuana would cause greater harm or any harm. In fact, if you are smoking it, rather than using another method, it would mean that you would smoke less. Your lungs would likely appreciate that. I don't mean that literally of course because it's obvious that you don't have direct experience.

Marijuana of the 60's, 70's and 80's had more or less THC in them depending on who, where and how it was grown. It also would vary depending on what part of the plant was in the sample. In those days you would smoke any and all parts of the plant. Today you see mostly buds, and very few, if any, seeds. Since the buds hold the most THC this also accounts for the variance in THC levels.

Do some fair and balanced research, then we'll talk.

Oh, and by the way, Australia can't be the next "Weed Capital" because Australia is a country not a city. Australian law also varies widely as does enforcement, but I would not expect to see marijuana cafe's there in my lifetime.

Last, marinol, which is legal in the US is pure artificial THC. You can buy it with a perscription. It's FDA approved. If THC was so terrible, do you think the FDA would approve pure THC as a medicine?
If THC did what you say it does:laziness, poor school performance, decreased social skills, increased risk of mental illness, ex.ex. wouldn't the FDA and the suppliers of mariol face a large number of personal injury lawsuits? Well, where are the lawsuits?

You see how cool that is? Once you know more about the facts you will be able to separate the truth from the merely inflammatory hysteria of the prohibitionists.

Next!

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Old 03-03-2014, 02:41 PM
 
Location: California
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Jerry isn't saying this because of his regard for other people and desire to keep the citizens of CA healthy and productive.

Come on people.
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Old 03-03-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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Brown is utilizing one of the benefits of federalism. See how the experiment works in other states before taking similar action. Not a bad idea.
The Federal govt has made clear its views. States are not standing behind their laws, it appears, so until this is remedied people are simply setting themselves up for more ruined lives.

The govt appears to hold the patents on cannabis "products", so one could see where they may approve of medical usage.
U.S. Government owns the patent on cannabis cures...

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Old 03-03-2014, 06:34 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Gee Chad, where do I begin? Marijuana potency has varied across the decades, so nothing new there. We've had hash since the 1930's. You know what hash is? Google it. It's a concentrate derived from marijuana, and it's more powerful. The world hasn't ended because of hash, and it won't because of the new waxy concentrates.

Higher THC potency just means that you will use less. Here's an analogy. Beer and Vodka. Beer has a low alcohol content, vodka is higher. To get the same "buzz" you have to drink more beer or less vodka.

FYI - there is a limit to how high you can get on marijuana. After that you are just wasting it. Increased THC is not going to increase the effects, you will just get there quicker and you may stay there a bit longer. Don't forget, it's non-toxic, so, no fear of overdose.

You need to do more research. NJ for one, and there are others, including the US Gov, in it's little known medical program, limit the potency of the cannabis they provide.

Stop reading all the anti-cannabis literature and start reading other sources so you get a balanced view. Only then will you be able to separate the studies with an agenda from the ones that don't have one. Pay attention to who is doing the study and who is funding them.

There is no evidence that: 1% to 3% THC potency marijuana caused laziness, poor school performance, decreased social skills, increased risk of mental illness, ex.ex. nor does it follow that higher potency marijuana would cause greater harm or any harm. In fact, if you are smoking it, rather than using another method, it would mean that you would smoke less. Your lungs would likely appreciate that. I don't mean that literally of course because it's obvious that you don't have direct experience.

Marijuana of the 60's, 70's and 80's had more or less THC in them depending on who, where and how it was grown. It also would vary depending on what part of the plant was in the sample. In those days you would smoke any and all parts of the plant. Today you see mostly buds, and very few, if any, seeds. Since the buds hold the most THC this also accounts for the variance in THC levels.

Do some fair and balanced research, then we'll talk.

Oh, and by the way, Australia can't be the next "Weed Capital" because Australia is a country not a city. Australian law also varies widely as does enforcement, but I would not expect to see marijuana cafe's there in my lifetime.

Last, marinol, which is legal in the US is pure artificial THC. You can buy it with a perscription. It's FDA approved. If THC was so terrible, do you think the FDA would approve pure THC as a medicine?
If THC did what you say it does:laziness, poor school performance, decreased social skills, increased risk of mental illness, ex.ex. wouldn't the FDA and the suppliers of mariol face a large number of personal injury lawsuits? Well, where are the lawsuits?

You see how cool that is? Once you know more about the facts you will be able to separate the truth from the merely inflammatory hysteria of the prohibitionists.

Next!

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You are correct marijuana potency has varied across the decades. The national average of marijuana's THC content is the following,

In 1978 it was 1.37%.
In 1988 it was 3.59%.
In 1998 it was 4.43%.
In 2008 it was 8.49%.
And in 2014 some marijuana has a THC content of 40%.

Is Marijuana Significantly More Potent Now Than in the Past? - Medical Marijuana - ProCon.org
40% THC? Australians Are Growing The World's Strongest Pot - TruthOnPot.com


And Hash (hashish) is derived from the THC resin on a marijuana plant. Hash always has a higher THC content than the marijuana plant it was derived from. And today's hash will be 3x-25x stronger than hash from 1978.

And higher THC content does (not) mean you use less. Many of my friends smoke high THC content marijuana, and yes some of them only take 1 or 2 hits per smoking session. But some of my friends take 6-8 hits of today's high THC marijuana each smoking session. And I have noticed that my friends who take 6-8 hits each smoking session forget many, many things.

And thank you for telling me "NJ for one, and there are others, including the US Gov, in it's little known medical program, limit the potency of the cannabis they provide."

Today's high THC content marijuana, could cause 20x worse negative side effects, than the marijuana of the 70's and 80's.

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Old 03-03-2014, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Not that the cons who are still firmly stuck in the 1970s will notice, much less care, but Jerry Brown is sounding a bit like, well, a conservative.
He's always been a moderate just with a bent towards social responsibility just like you'd expect a guy who used to be a Jesuit Priest would be.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Today's high THC content marijuana, could cause 20x worse negative side effects, than the marijuana of the 70's and 80's.
And you certainly know all about these worse negative side effects from smoking THC heightened marijuana yourself, and so know first hand what a hell of a bad trip it was???
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Color me shocked on this. I figured CA would be the next to legalize.
It was California that led the way to making drugs illegal, starting back in the 1880's, with their crackdown on opium dens mainly used by the Chinese.

Illegalization of drugs is mainly a 20th century phenomena! During the laid-back, Victorian age of the 19th century people generally turned a blind eye to it, as they were too busy cracking down on sexually related offenses, like adultery.
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