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George Bush came into office with a budget surplus , i purposefully created a deficit in hopes that tax cuts would eventually lead to more prosperity, he was wrong and never corrected himself
Where as Barack Obama was handed a recession and knew that cutting spending would only make things worse and i dont remember any economist disagreeing with that.
With People like Bernie Sanders preparing to run for President in 2016 , Do you see a Progressive Revolt within the Democratic Party coming?
Do you think the Obama led Democrats are not Marxist enough? Hey, all in good time comrade, all in good time. Obama feels he needs to use and abuse the existing tools available to him, including the capitalist system, in order to bring fundamental change.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
The Center and Liberal Left of the Democratic Party both seem to be firmly against People like Sanders and Warren taking charge of the Democratic Party, and have vocally pressed their opposition to them.
Im not asking if you like Progressives, Liberals, centrist, or even Democrats, but simply if you believe a Progressive movement has started or will start and if it will be influential ?
I personally believe myself to be a Liberal Democrat and to the right of people like Warren and Sanders, but i also believe that I am in the minority of my Party and that the Progressives have been the majority for quite some time now. While Liberals still maintain leadership within the party, it seems the silent majority of Progressives are starting to want their values and their candidates put center stage ?
The current leaders in the Democratic Party are actually happy with things as they are. Getting in bed with big money, big corporations and banksters, is allowing these dems to get filthy, dirty rich, it definitely has its perks. To the current Democratic Party leaders people like Warren, Sanders, Kucinich, and yes Paul, Cruz and Lee are Boy Scouts who get in their way.
George Bush came into office with a budget surplus , i purposefully created a deficit in hopes that tax cuts would eventually lead to more prosperity, he was wrong and never corrected himself
Where as Barack Obama was handed a recession and knew that cutting spending would only make things worse and i dont remember any economist disagreeing with that.
No one can accuse Obama of EVER contemplated the notion of reducing federal spending. You act as if Obama was magnanimous in his decision, as if he were going against his principles because of the recession, and chose to drastically increase spending. Never mind that the Bush recession ended in June 2009.
Obama is taking the $10 trillion fiscal debt in 2009, and his latest budget proposal will take it to $26 trillion by 2024. If $4 trillion in new debt over eight years was "unpatriotic and irresponsible" what is $16 trillion over fourteen years?
So you have moved so far to the right that you think Republicans and Democrats are both moving towards the left. I guess when you have moved all the way to the right, everyone to the left of you must be a liberal.
You got it backwards. The Democrats have moved so far left, the center is considered far right to them now and also you.
I agree that both parties are becoming more polarized but the left are in the majority and running the country right now.
Progressive economics are being put in place and those are the very issues being raised by the elected officials.
The left are in the majority nationally, but it's hardly a decisive majority. Paul Ryan essentially got his budget enacted by default, extended unemployment benefits are expiring, and Obama's political capital to exact any further influence on the economy is in doubt. Further, Obama's 'reign' comes after 30 years of Reagan policies of banking deregulation and reduced taxation, many of which were enacted by a democrat (Clinton), no less. In fact taxation at the federal level is as low on top earners as it has been in 9 decades. And if that's not enough, economics at the state level are controlled mostly by Republicans. So, I respectfully disagree that we're living in times of progressive economic policy. The facts don't seem to bear that out.
You got it backwards. The Democrats have moved so far left, the center is considered far right to them now and also you.
I would agree that a lot of democrats have moved further left, but it's probably a reaction to what they've seen from the right, and it's also probably a reflection of the fact that an increasing number of people have been eliminated from the economy. I'm not going to get into a debate about who's fault that is - save that for another thread. Regardless of what you feel, when you have able-bodied 45-55 year olds who feel like they've got a lot left in their tank but end up looking to resume careers that just 'vanish' that takes a psychological toll on people. I think people in that situation can go in several different directions. Joining a tea party rally is one avenue; joining an Occupy protest is another route. They're essentially the same anger, with different interpretations of culprits, causes, effects. I wish we could just stop all this 'liberal', 'conservative' crap. We're suckers falling for a trap when we buy into these labels. I'm not necessarily saying I'm better than anyone else, as I do it myself sometime. Years ago I'd never say this, but I think the time has come for a third party to just come in and kick some major @ss. I'd hope that this party could take the best ideas and traits of both parties or political camps and just crush the extremists and tell them to GTFO of the country. This country can do better, and we need to start demanding better.
The left are in the majority nationally, but it's hardly a decisive majority. Paul Ryan essentially got his budget enacted by default, extended unemployment benefits are expiring, and Obama's political capital to exact any further influence on the economy is in doubt. Further, Obama's 'reign' comes after 30 years of Reagan policies of banking deregulation and reduced taxation, many of which were enacted by a democrat (Clinton), no less. In fact taxation at the federal level is as low on top earners as it has been in 9 decades. And if that's not enough, economics at the state level are controlled mostly by Republicans. So, I respectfully disagree that we're living in times of progressive economic policy. The facts don't seem to bear that out.
Since Obama came into office all we hear about is income inequality.
That is a core piece of progressive economics.
And I did note that they are being put in place..not that they already are in place.
I would agree that a lot of democrats have moved further left, but it's probably a reaction to what they've seen from the right, and it's also probably a reflection of the fact that an increasing number of people have been eliminated from the economy. I'm not going to get into a debate about who's fault that is - save that for another thread. Regardless of what you feel, when you have able-bodied 45-55 year olds who feel like they've got a lot left in their tank but end up looking to resume careers that just 'vanish' that takes a psychological toll on people. I think people in that situation can go in several different directions. Joining a tea party rally is one avenue; joining an Occupy protest is another route. They're essentially the same anger, with different interpretations of culprits, causes, effects. I wish we could just stop all this 'liberal', 'conservative' crap. We're suckers falling for a trap when we buy into these labels. I'm not necessarily saying I'm better than anyone else, as I do it myself sometime. Years ago I'd never say this, but I think the time has come for a third party to just come in and kick some major @ss. I'd hope that this party could take the best ideas and traits of both parties or political camps and just crush the extremists and tell them to GTFO of the country. This country can do better, and we need to start demanding better.
The vanishing jobs have been happening since the 60's when globalization started.
I watched software development get on the offshoring bandwagon back in the mid 90's when countries like India and China started producing college educated people who could do the same job for much less.
When you have asset bubbles against which to borrow you don't notice that your standard of living is declining.
Now we have no bubbles and no jobs. The masses are finally facing reality.
You got it backwards. The Democrats have moved so far left, the center is considered far right to them now and also you.
Said by a person who has moved so far to the right that you can't even see the center without screaming socialism.
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