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You could tell us all it hit 20 million.... How would we really know?
When someone presents statistical evidence (which can be verified in some manner using alternative sources), the burden shifts to you to disprove it. If you respond this way to every proof, then it means you cannot be swayed. Pretending that all information which goes against your perspective is false, or being skeptical without alternative data which justifies the skepticism, is not reason but confirmation bias.
I use that word a lot because on the political forums it seems to be woefully widespread.
Not sure what you are talking about if you look at all the numbers, Medicaid expansion, adult children under 26, insurance purchased off the private exchanges, and on the government exchanges you are talking about 18-19 million people. The Republican plan is to give these 18 million the boot. Most will be sacrificed to Paul Ryans budget and left uninsured. About half will get insurance with some paying less and some paying more. About 10 million or more will probably never vote Republican again.
The ACA will be an illustration that conservatives aren't interested in policy outcomes.
All of these fake policy questions/concerns that conservatives claim to have will fall one by one and they'll either ignore the answers or deny the answers.
You don't see conservatives at all grappling with the 8 million Americans who have signed up in the exchanges and asking themselves what does that really mean for the law's possible success or failure?
You don't see conservatives at all grappling with the millions more Americans that have gained insurance through medicaid and asking themselves why conservatives Governors in so many states are denying their own citizens that same opportunity?
You don't see conservatives grappling with the estimates which range from 9.3million to 12million previously uninsured have gained insurance this year now from three different organizations Rand Corporation, Gallup, and the CBO.
You don't see them grappling with the fact that premiums were lower than the estimates.
In fact conservatives aren't dealing with any aspect of the law that has anything to do with reality.
This opposition is pure ideological for conservatives. The law can't work because the law can't work and that's that.
This is their stance which ignores reports of the success of the law and pretends that some questions about the law have not been answered.
Again. It ain't 9-12 million newly insured. They are counting people like young adults who already could have own insurance instead of their parents plans. They just thrown "hey 3.2 million young adults now added to parents plans". They just assume all 3.2 million would not have gotten their own polices.
How many would have gone to college and stayed on parents plans? We don't know
How many would have gotten their own polices. We don't know
Yet they just throw out a blanket 3.2 million young adults under age 26.
Same can be said for Medicaid enrollment. Many "new" Medicaid enrollment aren't even due to the ACA. These are people who would have been eligible for Medicaid anyways.
Again. People like to inflate numbers when they want you to support the ACA. Remember Obama saying "very few" polices were getting cancel. He tries to deflate the 5 million policies being canceled. He also tries to say "very few people are paying more" when that number is 3-5 million paying more on the individual market.
Not even that pro-Ocare advocate's numbers reach 18-19 million newly insured.
They are using Obama math. The same way he said he "created or saved millions of jobs".
Honestly I will admit more people are getting health insurance due to the ACA. I try to be fair and honest. That I will give the ACA credit.
Probably 1-2 million newly insured paying customers. And another 3-4 million with Medicaid expansion.
Yet there are 3-5 million people having to pay more for this law as well. Just not a little more. A lot more.
And it's sold on a lie. Obama says no more pre existing conditions. Yet those plans offered off the exchanges still are selling "junk polices" with 250-750k caps and those off the exchanges still have pre existing clauses.
Just go to ehealthinsurance today yourself.
That's the dirty trick. No one said the private insurers closed open enrollment march 31st off the exchanges as well.
Surprised none in the liberal media want to report this. They are still selling junk plans and excluding people from insurance.
When someone presents statistical evidence (which can be verified in some manner using alternative sources), the burden shifts to you to disprove it. If you respond this way to every proof, then it means you cannot be swayed. Pretending that all information which goes against your perspective is false, or being skeptical without alternative data which justifies the skepticism, is not reason but confirmation bias.
This sums it up nicely. This thread will go on for pages and pages and all you will see are Conservatives trying desperately to convince everyone that the numbers couldn't possibly be right, because they decided long before the law went into effect that ACA was a failure. And now they are so invested in that belief that they need to continue believing that.
I say let them. It changes nothing. I will enjoy watching them
Over one million more than were projected with the final numbers coming in. Only 27% of the enrollees were between 18 and 34. However that means that almost 6 million were over 35 with many in the what could be considered the Republican base between 50-64. Do you think those people are going to be responding to the Republican plan of repeal and lose their insurance and possible subsidies? The Republicans dont have a plan as the RSC admits since nothing has ever been voted on since 2010. Shouldn't Republicans be coming up with a plan rather than telling the 8 million sorry about your health insurance but we have ours?
When someone presents statistical evidence (which can be verified in some manner using alternative sources), the burden shifts to you to disprove it. If you respond this way to every proof, then it means you cannot be swayed. Pretending that all information which goes against your perspective is false, or being skeptical without alternative data which justifies the skepticism, is not reason but confirmation bias.
I use that word a lot because on the political forums it seems to be woefully widespread.
I don't consider any numbers from any WH 'statistical evidence.'
In February, CBO lowered its exchange enrollment estimate from 7 million down to 6 million. That was in February. CBO was off by 2 million a mere 2 months before the 3/31/deadline ? For discussions, I'll use the 8 million, but the CBO is the alternative data that makes me skeptical.
They are using Obama math. The same way he said he "created or saved millions of jobs".
Honestly I will admit more people are getting health insurance due to the ACA. I try to be fair and honest. That I will give the ACA credit.
Probably 1-2 million newly insured paying customers. And another 3-4 million with Medicaid expansion.
Yet there are 3-5 million people having to pay more for this law as well. Just not a little more. A lot more.
And it's sold on a lie. Obama says no more pre existing conditions. Yet those plans offered off the exchanges still are selling "junk polices" with 250-750k caps and those off the exchanges still have pre existing clauses.
Just go to ehealthinsurance today yourself.
That's the dirty trick. No one said the private insurers closed open enrollment march 31st off the exchanges as well.
Surprised none in the liberal media want to report this. They are still selling junk plans and excluding people from insurance.
It has been estimated that 9 million bought plans directly from insurers and bypassed the exchanges. The only people allowed to buy the "junk" policies were those who previously had such policies.
But they aren't the numbers the right wanted to hear, so they must be discredited immediately. Watch this thread virtually explode now with Conservatives doing exactly that.
Give them a break, they've got nothing else.
The employer mandate could have kicked in rather than delaying it another year, and the numbers could have hit 20-30 million due to all of the cancellations...
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