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Old 03-18-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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This is the problem right here.

You think you are being "rational" even though statistics and data prove that you are not; therefor, you are actually being irrational.


A decision based on feelings is not rational in any sense of the word.
I will explain this concept one more time with a simple example.

There is statistics and data that show that driving under the influence of half-a-beer is no different for most people than driving sober. Hence many states have the 0.05-0.08 (roughly one beer) limit. However, I never get behind the wheel even after half-a-drink or one drink in one-hour. This is a rational fear. Most would consider this responsible and an excellent practice. You call this irrational because it is not based on data?

All the facts and statistics about guns is never this coherent to begin with. I have read articles that have go so far as to state that the risk of injury while using stairs is more than that of having a gun. Now this does not mean that I will use a stair-lift to avoid injury and start playing around with guns.
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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you are acting as if everyone is out to get you, just like your analogy...your neighbor gets a gun so you have to get 2? Does that make any sense? nope...
Ah! This is brilliant! So the concealed weapon carrier is not acting like everyone if out to get him/her? But my fear associated with my neighbor having 25 guns is irrational?
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I will explain this concept one more time with a simple example.

There is statistics and data that show that driving under the influence of half-a-beer is no different for most people than driving sober. Hence many states have the 0.05-0.08 (roughly one beer) limit. However, I never get behind the wheel even after half-a-drink or one drink in one-hour. This is a rational fear. Most would consider this responsible and an excellent practice. You call this irrational because it is not based on data?

All the facts and statistics about guns is never this coherent to begin with. I have read articles that have go so far as to state that the risk of injury while using stairs is more than that of having a gun. Now this does not mean that I will use a stair-lift to avoid injury and start playing around with guns.
Which is your choice, my problem with your posts is that you are trying to make choices for others out of some irrational fear you hold.
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Old 03-18-2014, 12:12 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Ah! This is brilliant! So the concealed weapon carrier is not acting like everyone if out to get him/her? But my fear associated with my neighbor having 25 guns is irrational?
But your neighbor having guns does not affect you in any way.

Live and let live, stop trying to control everyone.
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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I'm going to start trying to get legislation passed that prevents people from playing golf because I fear dying of lightning and playing golf during a thunder storm increases ones risk of dying from lightning. Even though the odds as shown by statistical data show that I am wrong, that doesn't matter because my fear is rational because I say so.

This is your argument.
Do you think it is appropriate to skew everything I have stated and argued over the course of this topic in such a childish manner? This demonstrates nothing but your lack of seriousness about this issue.

How is this my argument? I can choose whether or not I want to play golf. But I cannot choose whether or not my neighbor or the guy beside me at a restaurant is carrying a gun.
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:08 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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If the guy sitting beside you in a restaurant is a trained gun owner and is carrying, chances are that you'd never know. Therefore it wouldn't be a problem. I COULD walk up next to you carrying my service piece and you'd never have a clue! How about that soccer mom over there in the white shorts, kinda cute huh? Did you know she had a S&W in her purse? NOPE, so she's not a problem either! GET USED TO IT! WE are armed so live with it.
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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Being prepared isn't the same thing as controlling what other people can and can't do, when it doesn't even involve you.
Being prepared for what?
While I try and stay away from the stats-laden gun debates (X is safer than Y based on some adjusted Odds Ratio), I keep getting bombarded with how the chances/ odds of injury via a gun is so low (more people die swimming) .... and how gun shootings are a statistical anomaly.

If all this is just an anomaly, then why carry a concealed weapon in the first place? You say, a guy carrying a concealed weapon is being prepared - prepared for what? Some statistical anomaly?

And how am I supposed to prepare for my encounter with a guy carrying a gun at a restaurant or bar (say drunk)? How am I supposed to prepare for my neighbor mis-firing his 25 guns? Build a freaking fort?
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:14 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Being prepared for what?
While I try and stay away from the stats-laden gun debates (X is safer than Y based on some adjusted Odds Ratio), I keep getting bombarded with how the chances/ odds of injury via a gun is so low (more people die swimming) .... and how gun shootings are a statistical anomaly.

If all this is just an anomaly, then why carry a concealed weapon in the first place? You say, a guy carrying a concealed weapon is being prepared - prepared for what? Some statistical anomaly?

And how am I supposed to prepare for my encounter with a guy carrying a gun at a restaurant or bar (say drunk)? How am I supposed to prepare for my neighbor mis-firing his 25 guns? Build a freaking fort?
Maybe sticking your head back in the sand might work?? None of the rest of us spend time worrying about these things, so WHY should you??
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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If the guy sitting beside you in a restaurant is a trained gun owner and is carrying, chances are that you'd never know. Therefore it wouldn't be a problem. I COULD walk up next to you carrying my service piece and you'd never have a clue! How about that soccer mom over there in the white shorts, kinda cute huh? Did you know she had a S&W in her purse? NOPE, so she's not a problem either! GET USED TO IT! WE are armed so live with it.
Thanks. I will now stay away from soccer moms in white shorts.
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Old 03-18-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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Ah! This is brilliant! So the concealed weapon carrier is not acting like everyone if out to get him/her?

Nope, not a chance.....the CCW is not worried about EVERYONE as you say....



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But my fear associated with my neighbor having 25 guns is irrational?
Yes....because you fear guns.....
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