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Old 03-17-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Austin
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"It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.”

So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it.

But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured.

“It will be a larger number than that by the end of March,” Mr. Obama promised in an interview with WebMD. “At this point, enough people are signing up that the Affordable Care Act is going to work.”

Still, the obvious question is: We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?"


Read more: CURL: We overhauled U.S. health care


I've read from other sources estimates that only 25% of those 4 million signing up were uninsured before. So it’s more like only 1M who were previously uninsured getting insured. What a "success" Obamacare has been.......
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:25 PM
 
Location: A blue island in the Piedmont
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Still, the obvious question is:
We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?"
Nope.

There were about 20 other additional reasons.
Odds are one of them actually suits you.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Did they pay yet?
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Nope.

There were about 20 other additional reasons.
Odds are one of them actually suits you.
List them and we can all decide whether they are valid or, as everyone suspects, are just more lies and deceit. The guy is a pathalogical liar.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:33 PM
 
Location: southern california
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A fundamental failure of Obama and dems to realize young Americans don't want it cheap they don't want it reasonable they don't want it no frills
they want it free and first class only
They been getting it like that for 50 years
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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The actual numbers covered thanks to the ACA is 11.5 million to 14.7 million. You need to add all the numbers up, adult children allowed to stay on their parents plan, Medicaid, and actual ACA enrollments. The 4.2 million number is also old that was two weeks ago That number is now closer to 5 million. More people have insurance now than had insurance last year.
Boehner also just got four Pinocchio's for his recent claim Obamacare has resulted in a net loss of people with insurance





Boehner’s claim that Obamacare has resulted in a ‘net loss’ of people with health insurance


ACASignups.net | Tracking Enrollments for the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare)
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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"adult children" lol oxymoron of the day.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Nope.

There were about 20 other additional reasons.
Odds are one of them actually suits you.
- Eliminates lifetime limits on essential medical expenses;
- Prohibits insurers from dropping your coverage or raising your premiums if you get sick — or from denying coverage if you have a preexisting condition;
- Ensures that your child can stay on your health plan until age 26;
- Caps annual out-of-pocket medical and drug expenses up to an estimated $6,400 for individuals and $12,800 for families

A neighborhood boy died of cancer a few years ago after he reached his lifetime limit and the insurance company cut him off - his parents had thought they had a great plan through their employer. Continued treatment could have given him more months or years of life.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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Overhaul? Your kidding right? We barely changed it. The ACA is better, but it doesn't do enough to solve our health care system. It was built upon the old screwed up system of allowing health insurance companies of making decisions instead of doctors. It still keeps the insurance companies as for profit, and by law, that means they have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit. How do they do that? By charging more for less service. Increasing copays and deductibles for larger premiums.

It still allows for hospitals to price gouge and inconsistent health pricing for many of the same procedures
Finally, There's an Easy Way to Compare Hospital Costs - DailyFinance
One hospital charges $8,000

As well, the US gov. is still barred from negotiating drug prices on behalf of its residents.

Guess who helped write the ACA?

America's Health Insurance Plan's (they lobbied against the public option)
American Hospital Association (hospital pricing, need i say more)
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (lobbied against drug negotiation for pricing)

Care to take a guess what they all have in common? Hint: It starts is an L and rhymes with hobby

So ya, we completely overhauled our system, didnt we folks
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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- Eliminates lifetime limits on essential medical expenses;
- Prohibits insurers from dropping your coverage or raising your premiums if you get sick — or from denying coverage if you have a preexisting condition;
- Ensures that your child can stay on your health plan until age 26;
- Caps annual out-of-pocket medical and drug expenses up to an estimated $6,400 for individuals and $12,800 for families

A neighborhood boy died of cancer a few years ago after he reached his lifetime limit and the insurance company cut him off - his parents had thought they had a great plan through their employer. Continued treatment could have given him more months or years of life.
They typical right wing response will go along the lines of:

"well his parents should have had a better job that provided better benefits"

or

"how else can we expect the insurance companies to have a profit, what are you, a communist?"
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