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No, dems and liberals just attacked and diverted, some ran to another thread but no reasonable comments or answers from the left.
“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
--- Thomas Sowell
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It is not greedy, it is lazy. The "free money" is typically so little that it amazes me some people actually settle for so little. When people choose the "free money" It shows laziness and complete lack of ambition. There two kinds of poor: those who choose, and those who do not choose.
It is also not greedy to make a big salary or big profit. Greed is marked by an unhealthy and excessive desire to have something.
Greed: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed
In other words Sowell's comment is a strawman argument.
Greed: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed
In other words Sowell's comment is a strawman argument.
Do you put money into a IRA or 401K for retirement? Do you put money aside for your kids education? That is more money than they need now so now it is greedy to put away for the future?
By the lefts mindset, anyone who puts money away for emergency, kids education or retirement is greedy.
I told you how you would be taxed if you lived overseas, and you jumped into discussing what happens when someone has failed to file taxes and now wants to give up her citizenship.
My response was to the person who suggested that we leave the country if we don't like our earnings being taken away from us at a higher rate than others. I explained that even that wasn't enough to keep the government's hands and the those who don't pay their fair share in taxes' hands out of an expat's pockets.
Furthermore, those Canadian girls had never stepped foot in the U.S., had never earned any money from a U.S. source, and didn't even know they were U.S. citizens. They had been Canadians living in Canada their entire life. The IRS went after them anyway.
My response was to the person who suggested that we leave the country if we don't like our earnings being taken away from us at a higher rate than others. I explained that even that wasn't enough to keep the government's hands and the those who don't pay their fair share in taxes' hands out of an expat's pockets.
Furthermore, those Canadian girls had never stepped foot in the U.S., had never earned any money from a U.S. source, and didn't even know they were U.S. citizens. They had been Canadians living in Canada their entire life. The IRS went after them anyway.
Aaah yes, the accidental Americans up in Canada and the government wants to grab their money too.
Do you put money into a IRA or 401K for retirement? Do you put money aside for your kids education? That is more money than they need now so now it is greedy to put away for the future?
By the lefts mindset, anyone who puts money away for emergency, kids education or retirement is greedy.
Yes, I max out my 401K, and so does my wife, and no one argues that securing ones future is greedy. I have never heard anyone (liberal or otherwise) make such argument, so you are not being honest here.
I am sorry, but not surprised, you are not comprehending the definition of the word "greed". Perhaps it would help if you post your own definition of it. Or it is the words "excessive desire" which you did not understand?
I rarely say this but you're wrong. When Obamacare was first passed, my insurance company sent me a letter that stated one of the three reasons my premium was going up so much was due to anticipation of having to provide insurance to others who cannot afford to pay. And this is nothing new BTW, it's just blatantly being caused by Obamacare now.
The insurance companies aren't providing insurance to people that can't pay. I have no idea why your insurance company would tell you that.
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You are correct that the insurance premiums for people & businesses not using the exchanges are not based on income. But, older and sicker policyholders who cannot be dropped are being subsidized by those who are paying higher premiums.
I stated as much. Specifically, the most an older policy holder can be charged is 3X the amount that a younger person would be charged. However, the poor aren't being subsidized by higher premiums.
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Originally Posted by NoNansea
If you're on medicare, you are subsidized. If you are on medical, you are being subsidized.Those who get their insurance from the exchange are subsidized if their income is under a certain dollar amount and some other factors. Part of those subsidies are paid for by higher premiums & part are paid for by new taxes.
If you remove the subsidy the premiums wouldn't change.
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Why do you think it is that you keep hearing that Obamacare will only work if enough young, healthy adults sign up and pay premiums?
Because those people are the least likely to use medical services, so by charging them more and requiring them to sign up the insurance companies can offer policies to older and sicker people at a reduced premium. For example, prior to ACA my premium was $80, but now it is over $200. By the same token someone with a cancer history would be paying the same price; prior to the ACA the high risk group couldn't get insurance.
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If Nancy Pelosi's comment about having to pass the bill so we can see what's in it didn't make her look like an idiot to you with poor reading comprehension, then don't worry about what we look like to others.
My point is that there is enough wrong with the ACA that we needn't go around making things up.
How about old friends who made it big and laugh about the big bucks while doing nothing.
Anyone who makes "big bucks" is not "doing nothing".
The only way to generate income (unless you are a government which has no money of its own, and must confiscate it at gunpoint) is to earn it, and that is done by working.
My response was to the person who suggested that we leave the country if we don't like our earnings being taken away from us at a higher rate than others. I explained that even that wasn't enough to keep the government's hands and the those who don't pay their fair share in taxes' hands out of an expat's pockets.
Furthermore, those Canadian girls had never stepped foot in the U.S., had never earned any money from a U.S. source, and didn't even know they were U.S. citizens. They had been Canadians living in Canada their entire life. The IRS went after them anyway.
I find it hard to believe that someone who does not know she is a citizen would try to give up her US citizenship. Does that make sense to you? Its like trying to sell a car you didn't know you owned.
Lets not bring the racial card into this shall we?
Or has this been the real reason behind the OP all along?
Thomas Sowell is a black commentator on economics and politics.
Should he not reference his heritage when making an argument?
Or are you just upset that he isn't enslaved on the Democratic plantation?
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