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He did report first and it took the Pasadena police over seven minutes to show up and Pasadena isn't that large.
Yes and there was an undercover officer at the scene who was observing the situation before they got involved due to Horn's call to police. However where in the neighborhood watch program does it state to arm yourself and confront suspects after you have contacted police and then shoot the suspects in the back?
Even when the state of Texas puts someone to death it's listed as murder so is that also against the rule of law ?
You mean when the state has given the person a trial, an opportunity to present a defense, then a verdict returned by a jury or a judge (when a defendant waives a right to a jury trial), then exhausts all their appeals to high courts, then they are put to death. You think that is the same as some lunatic with a gun who thinks someone is robbing their neighbors house and just cant wait for the police to show up but who doesn’t know one is already there so they confront the suspects and shoot them in the back and kills them both.
You think both situations are similar and follow the rule of law? How exactly are they similar?
Yes and there was an undercover officer at the scene who was observing the situation before they got involved due to Horn's call to police. However where in the neighborhood watch program does it state to arm yourself and confront suspects after you have contacted police and then shoot the suspects in the back?
"He may have a defense with Pasadena's neighborhood watch program."
Where did I say that it did ?
You mean when the state has given the person a trial, an opportunity to present a defense, then a verdict returned by a jury or a judge (when a defendant waives a right to a jury trial), then exhausts all their appeals to high courts, then they are put to death. You think that is the same as some lunatic with a gun who thinks someone is robbing their neighbors house and just cant wait for the police to show up but who doesn’t know one is already there so they confront the suspects and shoot them in the back and kills them both.
You think both situations are similar and follow the rule of law? How exactly are they similar?
"some lunatic with a gun"
Seems you are not even willing to follow your own speech about a trial in a court of law !
Every citizen has a duty to protect their fellow citizens from harm including assault, robbery and burglary. In this case it seems that Mr. Horn was performing a citizens arrest while he was calling the police. The criminals did not submit to the arrest and threatened Mr. Horn. He defended himself and killed the burglars. I fail to see where he is guilty of murder. He did not kill these people because they were burglars he killed them because they were threatening him. What is the problem with this?
In the case of suing a member of the neighborhood watch for failing to protect a house from burglars, I would suggest the same thing that prevents you from suing the police for the same failure applies. So long as our police are not responsible for preventing crime we will need citizens willing to use deadly force to arrest, restrain and, if threatened, kill criminals. Citizens not only have a right to protect themselves, their families and their neighbors from criminal actions, they have a duty to do so. We all do. We also need to be protected by the law for doing our duty.
Every citizen has a duty to protect their fellow citizens from harm including assault, robbery and burglary. In this case it seems that Mr. Horn was performing a citizens arrest while he was calling the police. The criminals did not submit to the arrest and threatened Mr. Horn. He defended himself and killed the burglars. I fail to see where he is guilty of murder. He did not kill these people because they were burglars he killed them because they were threatening him. What is the problem with this?
In the case of suing a member of the neighborhood watch for failing to protect a house from burglars, I would suggest the same thing that prevents you from suing the police for the same failure applies. So long as our police are not responsible for preventing crime we will need citizens willing to use deadly force to arrest, restrain and, if threatened, kill criminals. Citizens not only have a right to protect themselves, their families and their neighbors from criminal actions, they have a duty to do so. We all do. We also need to be protected by the law for doing our duty.
Last week just south of here in Fort Bend county a retired school teacher was killed by two people pretending to be delivery people....Maybe had her neighbor been someone like Mister Horn she might be alive today.
"He may have a defense with Pasadena's neighborhood watch program."
Where did I say that it did ?
Well if you’re claiming he may use it as a defense, then your basically stating that his actions of confronting two suspects burgalizing another persons property and shooting them dead in the back would make him immune to prosecution as he had a legal right to protect another persons property where there was no right explicitly granted.
Was there another meaning to being able to use the neighborhood watch as a defense that you didn’t expand on?
Even when the state of Texas puts someone to death it's listed as murder so is that also against the rule of law ?
I'm not even going to respond to such a ridiculous argument.. wait, I just did..
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He had a right to personal safety.
