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Old 04-06-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The willful ignorance of these right-wingers is outstanding. Not only are they not adjusting for inflation when they make idiotic their "Obama has spent more than all presidents combined" claims, but they ignore the policies of GWB (his wars, his tax cuts, his nuked economy) which continue to effect the national debt to this day.
And the corporate think tanks they get all their "trusted" information from have flipped their brains.

Example,

Billionaire CEO's have 11%-17% effective federal tax rates.
And many middle class/upper middle class Americans have effective federal tax rates of 30%+

And the corporate think tanks tell the republicans "the rich pay all the taxes" (to keep the CEO tax rates low.)

But the think tanks don't give them percentages or actual tax rates, the think tanks give them information about the size of the check mailed to the IRS.


If someone makes $100,000,000 a year and has a 1% tax rate, they send the IRS a $1,000,000 dollar check.
If someone makes $100,000 a year and has a 50% tax rate, they send the IRS a $50,000 dollar check.

One person above has a 1% tax rate, and the other person has a 50% tax rate. And the republican mind believes the rich person with a 1% tax rate is being punished for sending a bigger check to the IRS. And the republican mind believes the person with the 50% tax rate is not paying their fair share of taxes.

Only the Rich Pay Taxes - The Rush Limbaugh Show

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Old 04-06-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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And the corporate think tanks they get all their "trusted" information from have flipped their brains.

Example,

Billionaire CEO's have 11%-17% effective federal tax rates.
And many middle class/upper middle class Americans have effective federal tax rates of 30%+

And the corporate think tanks tell republicans "the rich pay all the taxes" (to keep the CEO tax rates low.)

The think tanks don't give them percentages or actual tax rates, the think tanks give them information about the size of the check mailed to the IRS.

If someone makes $100,000,000 a year and has a 1% tax rate, they send the IRS a $1,000,000 dollar check.
If someone makes $100,000 a year and has a 50% tax rate, they send the IRS a $50,000 dollar check.

One person above has a 1% tax rate, and the other person has a 50% tax rate. And the republican mind believes the rich person with a 1% tax rate is being punished for sending a bigger check to the IRS. And the republican mind believes the person with the 50% tax rate is not paying their fair share of taxes.

Only the Rich Pay Taxes - The Rush Limbaugh Show
You're just pulling figures out of your ass..

Do you think making things up, makes you look smart?

Percentages have already been posted, and most with high income, pay higher percentages.

Your problem is you keep equating "billionaire" ceo's who's got WEALTH with income.. just stop.. its embarassing that you dont know the difference.
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives View Post
The willful ignorance of these right-wingers is outstanding. Not only are they not adjusting for inflation when they make idiotic their "Obama has spent more than all presidents combined" claims, but they ignore the policies of GWB (his wars, his tax cuts, his nuked economy) which continue to effect the national debt to this day.
It is not "Bush's wars" since Congress approved it.

After the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts, government revenue increased by $785 billion, the largest 4-year increase in the history of the U.S. In other words, tax cuts don't cause debt; overspending does.

Bush's "nuked economy?" What does that mean and what policies of Bush caused it?
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Old 04-06-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Obama is not "stretching the dollar." The national debt has gone up by more (almost $7 trillion) under Obama than any other president in history.
Your forgetting the fact Clinton handed GW Bush a balanced federal budget. Then GW Bush turned that balanced budget into huge deficits and high debt growth rates (with trickle down tax cuts and a unneeded Iraq war.)

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton


Bush handed Obama a national debt with a 15.9% growth rate.
And Obama brought down that debt growth rate to 7.8%.

http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm


And your also ignoring the causes of Obama's deficits.

"Recession, President Bush’s tax cuts, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain most of the deficits that have occurred on Obama’s watch — based on the latest Congressional Budget Office projections."

Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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It is not "Bush's wars" since Congress approved it.

After the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts, government revenue increased by $785 billion, the largest 4-year increase in the history of the U.S. In other words, tax cuts don't cause debt; overspending does.

Bush's "nuked economy?" What does that mean and what policies of Bush caused it?
Tax revenues as a percentage of GDP declined immediately after the tax cuts were enacted and only rose (briefly) due to war spending and the massive housing bubble. We know how both of those turned out.
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:07 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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It is not "Bush's wars" since Congress approved it.

After the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts, government revenue increased by $785 billion, the largest 4-year increase in the history of the U.S. In other words, tax cuts don't cause debt; overspending does.

Bush's "nuked economy?" What does that mean and what policies of Bush caused it?
The GW Bush White House said 935 untrue statements/lies to get the Iraq war.

Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war - CNN.com


The Afghanistan war is Americas war, but the Iraq war is the GW Bush's White House's war (without the Bush White House's 935 untrue statements about Iraq we never would have invaded Iraq.)
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:10 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Don't you remember democrats saying "weapons of mass deception" ??
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:17 PM
 
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Don't you remember democrats saying "weapons of mass deception" ??
Yes, and they also changed the us policy to outting Saddam, and putting in a new regime..

Are you admitting Clinton lied because most of the statements made by "Bush", came from the Clinton administration.. You do know that, right?
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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Tax revenues as a percentage of GDP declined immediately after the tax cuts were enacted and only rose (briefly) due to war spending and the massive housing bubble. We know how both of those turned out.
First thats because the GDP climbed, which was far more important since the GDP is what dictates the nations economy, (meaning you JUST admitting the Bush tax cuts stimulated),

and Second, tax revenues as a % of GDP floats around, regardless of the tax rate. Its still rather similar to what it was when we had a 90% tax rate..
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Old 04-06-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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Your forgetting the fact Clinton handed GW Bush a balanced federal budget. Then GW Bush turned that balanced budget into huge deficits and high debt growth rates (with trickle down tax cuts and a unneeded Iraq war.)

The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton

Deception.

Clinton factually handed GWB:

#1 a budget that was increasing the national debt, per the US Treasury: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...t/histdebt.htm

#2 China into the WTO and a permanent trade deal with China that was increasing outsourcing and the trade deficit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-w...b_1852887.html

#3 a recession that started 6 weeks into GWB's term, and declining industrial investment for the past half year of Clinton's presidency

#4 a NASDAQ dot-com bubble that had just blown up

#5 a Housing bubble that started forming in 1997

#6 Deregulation of Glass-Stegall (bipartisan, that Clinton asked for and was proud to sign into law)


The above things that Clinton left hurt the budget and the economy under GWB. GWB handled these Clinton-era messes poorly and made messes of his own...but let's not tell half truths.
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