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Old 04-06-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by KUchief25 View Post
These fools just don't get it. So if the feds are paying for inmates now do our local state and county taxes go down? Hell no. Just more money tossed into the kitty. It is beyond ridiculous. Why the feds pay for state convicts somebody needs to explain to me in the first place. They can't and cheer on more taxes and money to waste.
Thats because they have no concept at all as to who should pay for what.

As one poster tried to say, this is like switching pockets from your left, to your right.. but thats not correct.

This is like, instead of taking it out of my left pocket, we're now taking it out of your right pocket..

And because many of them are recipiants from the federal government, they dont care. There is no balancing standard for state rights nor obligations. They view it all as one big pot and the bigger the federal government gets, the better they feel.

 
Old 04-06-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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So now the costs of building/maintaining/staffing jails/prisons will not be considered when imprisoning people for stupid crap because healthcare was the only important consideration? Have anything to support that? Like what percentage of incarceration costs incurred by states healthcare represented?
I didnt make that argument at all..
 
Old 04-06-2014, 01:58 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Thats because they have no concept at all as to who should pay for what.

As one poster tried to say, this is like switching pockets from your left, to your right.. but thats not correct.

This is like, instead of taking it out of my left pocket, we're now taking it out of your right pocket..

And because many of them are recipiants from the federal government, they dont care. There is no balancing standard for state rights nor obligations. They view it all as one big pot and the bigger the federal government gets, the better they feel.
States rights issue -- glad you brought that up. This move is part of a bigger program -- to basically neuter states, gradually, in every respect and so remove/dilute their authority and responsibility under the Constitution.
The federal government is doing this in many areas, through many agencies, and it's done so skillfully that people don't even notice the encroachments. It's a federal government grab for more power.

It's part of Obama's "fundamental transformation".
 
Old 04-06-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Thats because they have no concept at all as to who should pay for what.

As one poster tried to say, this is like switching pockets from your left, to your right.. but thats not correct.

This is like, instead of taking it out of my left pocket, we're now taking it out of your right pocket..

And because many of them are recipiants from the federal government, they dont care. There is no balancing standard for state rights nor obligations. They view it all as one big pot and the bigger the federal government gets, the better they feel.
Yes sadly that is true. Every entity has their hands out and if they don't get their cut they will scream "not fair" anymore. We had our run I guess............the leeches and communists are determined to take it down and they are making hay. They have dumbed down the population so much it is a given anymore. Kidos to them as their plan has worked even basing off this particular thread. Why they want the USofA to go down I will never know.
 
Old 04-06-2014, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Except now, high-crime states with policies that do nothing to deter crime, and in fact often ignore many crimes, pass on their costs to low-crime states.
 
Old 04-06-2014, 02:01 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Like what percentage of incarceration costs incurred by states healthcare represented?
As our prison population grows older (due largely to mandatory minimum sentences) that cost is skyrocketing.

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In Michigan, the annual cost of health care for the average inmate was $5,800, according to the study, a figure that increased to $11,000 for prisoners aged 55 to 59. The cost spiraled to $40,000 a year for inmates 80 years and older.
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Ms. Kincaid said that as the prison population had aged, so had the incidence of chronic diseases among inmates, including hypertension and diabetes. And because the state has only three hospitals for prisoners — about 120 beds — it must contract with private operators for inpatient care. The cost of a hospitalized inmate in such a facility is about $850,000 a year.

“We have guys who are comatose shackled to beds with a guard in the room,” she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/us...inds.html?_r=0

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From 1998 to 2001, state corrections budgets grew an average of eight percent annually, outpacing overall state budgets by 3.7 percent.1
During that same three-year period, corrections health care costs grew by ten percent annually and comprised ten percent of all corrections
expenditures. Alarmingly, recent spikes in corrections health care costs are a leading factor driving growth in corrections. Unchecked, these costs will surely plague cash-strapped states for years to come.
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/cs...ts+1-21-04.pdf
 
Old 04-06-2014, 02:01 PM
 
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States rights issue -- glad you brought that up. This is move part of a bigger picture -- to basically neuter states, gradually, in every respect and so remove their authority and responsibility under the Constitution.
The federal government is doing this in many areas, by many agencies, and it's done so skillfully that people don't even notice the encroachments. It's a federal government grab for more power.
Fed can print up paper............states can't. That is why this is going on hell let the fed pay for it is what they are saying. Soon that will be how everybody goes which is what was brought up way back when this obamacare **** hit the fan that nobody read yet voted for. This is what will take us all down..........something THEY wanted. Why is the question.
 
Old 04-06-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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As our prison population grows older (due largely to mandatory minimum sentences) that cost is skyrocketing.




http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/us...inds.html?_r=0
Hey the states love it apparently.............you can pass on the cost to the nation. Utopia according to some.
 
Old 04-06-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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Fed can print up paper............states can't. That is why this is going on hell let the fed pay for it is what they are saying. Soon that will be how everybody goes which is what was brought up way back when this obamacare **** hit the fan that nobody read yet voted for. This is what will take us all down..........something THEY wanted. Why is the question.
Single payer.
 
Old 04-06-2014, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Fed can print up paper............states can't. That is why this is going on hell let the fed pay for it is what they are saying. Soon that will be how everybody goes which is what was brought up way back when this obamacare **** hit the fan that nobody read yet voted for. This is what will take us all down..........something THEY wanted. Why is the question.
And that is key.

With expanded medicaid many states moved their state expanded medicaid people to the Fed program.
And with 100% temporary Fed funding others jumped on the expanded medicaid bandwagon.

Why ? To kick the can of debt down the road.

They probably won't be in office when the states have to pony up billions for their share years down the road.
They are acting on the here and now so they can bask in the glory of not letting anyone die for lack of a health insurance card be it Obamacare or medicaid.
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