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Dude...the National Front is openly racist, openly anti-immigrant, openly Islamophobic, and openly anti-Semitic. They're also a minority party in France. This is not "fanatical secularism" at work here.
Prove it. See what you mean is they are PRO French and Pro European. All of which you hate. They actually have Jewish members in their party so...keep lying.
FN is not winning any big elections. When they cracked the second round of the Presidential election in 2002, the Socialists threw their support at Center-right candidate Jacques Chirac and he won 82%-18%.
Yes they will. See the same people tried that this go around and they still lost. The French people have had enough of the pandering to non French. I say its about time.
The way I see it, there's no good reason to provide a lunch based based solely on religious-inspired preferences, if those who want said lunch are a small minority of the overall population.
But, at the same time, there's also no good reason to NOT provide a lunch that's preferred by a large amount of the population, even if it is inspired by religious beliefs.
See the difference? Basically, the lunch choices should reflect the dietary preferences of the local population. If the local population doesn't eat dog, have options that include dog-free entrees. If the local population doesn't eat pork, have a non-pork option.
I said this in the other thread, about halal choices in US public schools - my kids' school serves typical American food, reflective of the tastes of the children who attend that school: pizza, corn dogs, a salad bar, fruit. I do not expect them to serve a full sushi bar because there are 3 Japanese children who attend, also. But if there's a sizable population of ANY group, why would the administration purposely provide food that the kids won't eat? It makes no sense, other than to fall back on my opening statement...they're jerks.
Prove it. See what you mean is they are PRO French and Pro European. All of which you hate. They actually have Jewish members in their party so...keep lying.
Oh yeah, you're right...after all, I only LIVED in France for a while and speak French fluently. But yeah, YOU know more about the National Front.
The way I see it, there's no good reason to provide a lunch based based solely on religious-inspired preferences, if those who want said lunch are a small minority of the overall population.
But, at the same time, there's also no good reason to NOT provide a lunch that's preferred by a large amount of the population, even if it is inspired by religious beliefs.
See the difference? Basically, the lunch choices should reflect the dietary preferences of the local population. If the local population doesn't eat dog, have options that include dog-free entrees. If the local population doesn't eat pork, have a non-pork option.
I said this in the other thread, about halal choices in US public schools - my kids' school serves typical American food, reflective of the tastes of the children who attend that school: pizza, corn dogs, a salad bar, fruit. I do not expect them to serve a full sushi bar because there are 3 Japanese children who attend, also. But if there's a sizable population of ANY group, why would the administration purposely provide food that the kids won't eat? It makes no sense, other than to fall back on my opening statement...they're jerks.
Its France not Iraq. Or any other Muslim or Jewish country.
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Oh yeah, you're right...after all, I only LIVED in France for a while and speak French fluently. But yeah, YOU know more about the National Front.
Whatever.
Like I said. PROVE IT. Seeing how Marine has only been in charge of the NF for a few years now and is nothing like her father I doubt you know what the NF is like now. They have jewish members as an article I read said they did. They are a French Nationalist party. Its great news that they are taking France back for the French.
I wonder if they are going to ban vegetarian options just in case Hindu students need it. I've never understood fanatical secularism.
This isn't secularism so much as a well known racist far right group which doesn't want any immigrants in the country. They're just trying to find ways to make life more difficult for religious minorities using the minimal local power their fringe party does have.
This isn't secularism so much as a well known racist far right group which doesn't want any immigrants in the country. They're just trying to find ways to make life more difficult for religious minorities using the minimal local power their fringe party does have.
What makes them racist? They want France to be French,that's not racist its common sense. Better get used to it. Take a look at the rise of Nationalist parties in Europe a wave is coming and its aimed right at these idiotic ideas of multiculturalism and diversity which turns European nations into African and Asian and Arab nations which is then "racist" to talk about or condemn.
Lefties are ALL about keeping religion out of schools, but CONTINUALLY go to bat for Muslims to do just that. It's that Red/Green Alliance thing again.
What makes them racist? They want France to be French,that's not racist its common sense. Better get used to it. Take a look at the rise of Nationalist parties in Europe a wave is coming and its aimed right at these idiotic ideas of multiculturalism and diversity which turns European nations into African and Asian and Arab nations which is then "racist" to talk about or condemn.
What makes them racist? Give that you already know this will be a waste of time but you can begin by reading the wiki article:
Lastly, no, happily we will not be seeing your imagined far right take over of Europe any time soon. I say that as a duel national who's father is originally from the EU and who's mother was from America plus I've lived on both sides of the pond.
I do give you credit for finding a way to spread the "stormfront meme" though maybe you should be a bit more subtle about it?
I wonder if they are going to ban vegetarian options just in case Hindu students need it. I've never understood fanatical secularism. If there is a sizable demand for semi-kosher/halal meals, I don't see a reason why the school system should make it a point to ban them. The European far-right is a joke, "we want keep the gravy train alive for our 'disenfranchised' voter-base, but we want to make life as difficult as possible to be a minority."
I agree with this. But I do agree that this "party" is just trying to agitate the Muslim population based on islamaphobic attitudes.
That said, the kids can bring their own lunches, but many Muslims in France are of the lower social order and are poor and may not be able to afford to bring their own lunches.
I also think that many Americans in general are not aware of the longstanding conflicts between the French and their Muslim population based on France's colonial involvement in Northern Africa and the subsequent wars and ongoing conflicts and negative attitudes that have continued to exist for decades.
I do think it is good to want to be a good French citizen and keep France for the French, but one can be French and a Muslim. Just like there are American Muslims and American Christians and American Jews and American Buddhist and American Hindus, etc., etc., etc. One groups religion cannot take away the culture of an entire country so this "party's" platform just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And FWIW, I am an atheist and would never try to force anyone of any religion to do something that is against their spiritual laws.
I'm reminded of a recent thread here where I argued with a bunch of white "nationalists" (they've stopped calling themselves supremacists but they're exactly the same) about the modest success of a neo-Nazi party in Greek elections last year. Of course the white supremacists got upset about me calling them neo-Nazis and claimed it was nothing of the sort... Fast forward a week later and it turns out the party leader insisted members call him "Fuehrer", the guy filled his house with Nazi memorabilia, and photos of these thugs attacking people in the streets and giving the old Zieg Heil came out of the woodwork. :lol:
Sorry, but FN is a neo-Nazi party, it has been a racist neo-Nazi Party since its inception, and you have to be low life scum to support them.
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The French people have had enough of the pandering to non French. I say its about time.
Better get used to it. Take a look at the rise of Nationalist parties in Europe a wave is coming and its aimed right at these idiotic ideas of multiculturalism and diversity which turns European nations into African and Asian and Arab nations which is then "racist" to talk about or condemn.
