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Old 04-22-2014, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It is almost derby time.

How do you feel about racing??

Or, rodeo??
I'm fine with it, is this an all or nothing kind of thing for you? The world doesn't live in absolutes.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Yes. We the people do get the government that we voted for. Unfortunately, s*** rolls down hill, and this progressive big goverment bulls*** tends to filter into other places like my state! "Gee.... look what NYC or San Francisco did... let's make it a law here!"
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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bute (phenybutazone) is basically horse aspirin. while I am far from an expert the horse racing and show jumping industry are full of illegal drugs given to horses. in horse racing diuretics/lasix are used to get a horses weight down before a race. lasixs are also used to flush out the system so other drugs go undetected. there is a long list of trainers who have been caught giving illegal drugs to their race horses. even the well respected wayne lucas. xylazine a muscle relaxant and anesthesia medication as well as clenbuterol a steriod as well as butorphanol a narcotic are a favorite use drugs for rick dutrow a trainer of breeders cup horses. the man has been suspended for class 3 butorphanol. thankfully he has been banned now from racing for ten years.

and a list of banned drugs for show jumpers
http://www.feicleansport.org/2013%20...ted%20List.pdf

so yes drugging horses is huge in the industry by unscrupulous owners and trainers. I wouldn't doubt the same thing goes on in the carriage industry.
Lasix is used at the track by the ring master to make the horses pee for the drug test.

Harness horses can race on bute......if it is declared.
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Old 04-22-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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Do they? Did a horse choose to be put on this earth for our amusement?

This sounds a lot like Orcas and Sea World. Heck, I don't own any pets for that reason alone. That is just my two cents. Animals are animals and should be left alone.
You don't know anything about horses. Just stop.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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I'm fine with it, is this an all or nothing kind of thing for you? The world doesn't live in absolutes.
If you want to be upset by the treatment of horses.....look into the rodeos.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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Each state does have there own rules for the track.

This is a betters guild.

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Old 04-22-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Not all Horse Drawn Carriage owners treat their horses inhumanely.
Horses enjoy working, just like dogs do....

I cannot believe how, whenever someone wants to raise their own case, against something, they go all the way to the other end of the sprectrum.

So, of course, they are all inhumane? Does anyone do their homework, or do you absolutely believe everything you read?

And by the way, this thread is not about race horses or drugs, or sulky races, or flat races, etc, it is about how all Horses pulling carriages in NYC are treated inhumanely.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If you want to be upset by the treatment of horses.....look into the rodeos.
I will do that, but this thread isn't about rodeos.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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Not all Horse Drawn Carriage owners treat their horses inhumanely.
Horses enjoy working, just like dogs do....

I cannot believe how, whenever someone wants to raise their own case, against something, they go all the way to the other end of the sprectrum.

So, of course, they are all inhumane? Does anyone do their homework, or do you absolutely believe everything you read?

And by the way, this thread is not about race horses or drugs, or sulky races, or flat races, etc, it is about how all Horses pulling carriages in NYC are treated inhumanely.
They would be foolish not to take good care of those horses......that is their livelihood.
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Old 04-22-2014, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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They would be foolish not to take good care of those horses......that is their livelihood.
And yet you will see them out there working their horses over 10 hrs a day on the hottest summer days.
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