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Old 04-11-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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Like the one being tossed about in Seattle, where it would go from the State's (9.30 an hour) to 15 per hour.

Even 15 an hour would still not be that good anywhere 10 miles or less from Downtown Seattle, but every little bit helps.

My fear is not the BS argument that jobs would be lost. It's greedy landlords taking advantage of higher pay from workers and making any raise, or increased salaries (like what's happening in Western ND where the wages have been raised, but not by state law) a wash.

In a totally free enterprise system, there doesn't seem to be any way to stop landlords from raising rents. Unless you have rent control. It's just pure greed. I'm sure a landlord lived comfortably, on whatever income they may have got, from when most of his tenants wages were X amount of dollars. Now that their income has increased (hypothetically) by 25-35%, the landlord wants that money so he can buy a new boat or something.

Minimum wage laws only work, when property owners are willing to cooperate. If they're not and there's no legal way to stop them, the thing they're trying to do in Seattle, if it passed, will make Seattle into another San Francisco. Even their min wage of $12 per hour, isn't **** there. Should be more like 20 there.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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Great, so all you did after you raised the minimum wage was:

- increased unemployment amongst minimum wage employees; and
- created inflation, thus devaluing the wage of minimum wage employees.

But as long as it makes you feel good, huh?
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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So when property values to and down, and this rent goes down, are you going to mandate renters pay more than market value to protect the property owners?
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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Great, so all you did after you raised the minimum wage was:

- increased unemployment amongst minimum wage employees; and
- created inflation, thus devaluing the wage of minimum wage employees.

But as long as it makes you feel good, huh?
This is a tired, Faux News argument. A lot more people have more discretionary income to spend and that is a lot more than the # of people who would lose jobs over an increased minimum wage.
Quit watching stuff like Faux. In states where a state that has a minimum wage at least a dollar or more higher than the state that has a lower one (like WA bordering ID), they've found that there's no real harm employment wise, in either State. In fact, if there's any harm, it is the state that has the LOWER minimum wage.
Anyway, this is about the effect of landlords and what they do with these laws, stay on topic.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:30 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Only 1 reason, why I may be against no phase in, minimum wage laws.


Like the one being tossed about in Seattle, where it would go from the State's (9.30 an hour) to 15 per hour.

Even 15 an hour would still not be that good anywhere 10 miles or less from Downtown Seattle, but every little bit helps.
It's amazing that a few liberals still believe that the purpose of a business is to "provide viable livings" for its employees, rather than creating products or services to make a profit.

And incredibly, they even believe it's a role of government to force businesses to do the former instead of the latter, and then leave the business to pick up the pieces as best they can.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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This is a tired, Faux News argument. A lot more people have more discretionary income to spend and that is a lot more than the # of people who would lose jobs over an increased minimum wage.
Quit watching stuff like Faux. In states where a state that has a minimum wage at least a dollar or more higher than the state that has a lower one (like WA bordering ID), they've found that there's no real harm employment wise, in either State. In fact, if there's any harm, it is the state that has the LOWER minimum wage.
Anyway, this is about the effect of landlords and what they do with these laws, stay on topic.
Sorry, MSLSD, CNN does little to inspire confidence re their reporting.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:31 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Great, so all you did after you raised the minimum wage was:

- increased unemployment amongst minimum wage employees; and
- created inflation, thus devaluing the wage of minimum wage employees.

But as long as it makes you feel good, huh?
Yeah, it sucks that we have never raised the minimum wage in the country and compared it to general and teenage unemployment rates

Just kidding, we did over and over since the 50's. I'll let you figure out what the conclusion was.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Sorry, MSLSD, CNN does little to inspire confidence re their reporting.
CNN and PMSNBC do "reporting"?

When did that start?
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Of course, many unions have their entire (already high) pay scale based on the Minimum Wage. When the Min Wage goes up, ALL the unions member pay goes up, all the way to the top.

Why do you think they are always so heavily in favor of Minimum-Wage increases?
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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This is a tired, Faux News argument
...that is true, yeah, I know.
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