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Old 05-10-2014, 08:50 AM
 
Location: SC
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Problems with schools are not related to size of class, funding, race, or any other demographic statistic. It all comes down to discipline and basics.

If students don't want to learn, they are forced to remain in school, often disrupting the class for others who do want to learn - or at least are not so undisciplined that they cannot control themselves in class.

If a kid doesn't want to learn and is a discipline problem - kick them to the curb and let them resume when they have learned that their life will descend into hell if they don't get an education. If the parent does not want their kid to be excluded, then it is up to them to teach them manners and discipline.

The other issue is basics. If you successfully teach reading, writing, and math, then all else will flow from it.
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Old 05-10-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Again, you are making post that do not contradict the content of the person you are responding to.

The Post you are responding to said that school funding goes down if their is less revenue from property taxes, explain how the above contradicts that ?
Clearly, property values are high enough to support spending of $13,000 - $19,000 per student per year in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, and Atlanta public schools. So, why the abysmal results?
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Old 05-10-2014, 08:54 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Mixed-ability classes that pull down the top and middle. No school vouchers. Both Democrat/liberal ideals.
I have no idea what a mixed ability class is, but what is your proof that it is a Liberal/Democratic idea ?

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That may be slightly true, but is an indication of the continuing dumbing-down.
What made you come to that conclusion ?


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Wrong
unchanged would not indicate a reasoning to post bold around one word.


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Democrats can't have their Jim Crow laws anymore, but they have been able to maintain defacto Jim Crow school segregation by their continuing refusal to allow school vouchers.
School vouchers dont work. They leave less money behind for the majority who can not pay for transportation to other schools. You end up hurting those who needed it the most. School vouchers in their current form are the very definition of choosing ideology over practicality.

And Jim Crow was supported by those from all political parties, stop trying to make it a Democratic thing because it never was.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:02 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Clearly, property values are high enough to support spending of $13,000 - $19,000 per student per year in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, and Atlanta public schools. So, why the abysmal results?
cost of living in a major city is far more than in a small town, more students to teach, more teachers to pay, more buildings to maintain.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:03 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Problems with schools are not related to size of class, funding, race, or any other demographic statistic. It all comes down to discipline and basics.

If students don't want to learn, they are forced to remain in school, often disrupting the class for others who do want to learn - or at least are not so undisciplined that they cannot control themselves in class.

If a kid doesn't want to learn and is a discipline problem - kick them to the curb and let them resume when they have learned that their life will descend into hell if they don't get an education. If the parent does not want their kid to be excluded, then it is up to them to teach them manners and discipline.

The other issue is basics. If you successfully teach reading, writing, and math, then all else will flow from it.
What school did you go to ?

If you acted up in my school, they sent you to OCS(on campus suspension).
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Well, the reason this Democrat supports public schools is that, like Thomas Jefferson, I believe that universal public education is an essential public good, and an educated populace is vital to the maintenance of a democratic society.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:13 AM
 
Location: SC
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What school did you go to ?

If you acted up in my school, they sent you to OCS(on campus suspension).
Then perhaps yours was a better school. If you acted up in my school you just sat there causing trouble for the entire period.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:22 AM
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Location: Florida
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If you acted up in my school you just sat there causing trouble for the entire period.
Sounds like a place where personal liberty is allowed to overwhelm the other imperatives of society.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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unchanged would not indicate a reasoning to post bold around one word.
Indeed, it would. The poster I responded to said scores are improving. They are not.
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School vouchers dont work. They leave less money behind for the majority who can not pay for transportation to other schools.
They leave the same amount of money those schools would have spent on those students anyway.
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And Jim Crow was supported by those from all political parties
No. It's a Democrat thing. Fact of history.

The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow. Democratic Party | PBS
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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What school did you go to ?

If you acted up in my school, they sent you to OCS(on campus suspension).
That hasn't been done for years, as it "stigmatizes" the offending student and harms his/her self-esteem. Poor little snowflake.
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