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Old 05-20-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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Why do people always coddle the criminal?

Oh wait, he was drunk and did not know what he was doing...(not his fault)
2am, drunk, no clue what he was doing (still not his fault)


I believe it has been said many times, the home owner was wrong, but many still insist the guy who was drunk at 2am in someones garage, detached or not, is not at fault...

That amazes me, that people think like that.

The homeowner was stupid, had been robbed before....he was stupid....that still does not take away from what was done by the teen....
Stating that trespassers don't deserve the death penalty is not "coddling the criminal". It's a simple fact. There is no legal code in this country that sentences trespassers to death.

No one is saying that the teen is not at fault. He was in the wrong.

I see this case like road rage. The person who cuts another off, or who tailgates and drives in a manner that puts others at risk is in the wrong. But the person who takes a gun and shoots the other driver is more in the wrong. Report the reckless driver to the police. Take pictures. Don't take justice into your own hands.

Life is precious. Recognizing that is part of what makes us human. Those who don't respect and treasure life, theirs and others', are missing a part of their humanity.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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A dog's vocal presence deters garage scavengers.
If I put my house dog on his scent.....the dog would have ripped the thief's guts out.

A barking dog will just tell you something is wrong......in this case....they KNEW the thief was there.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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Stating that trespassers don't deserve the death penalty is not "coddling the criminal". It's a simple fact. There is no legal code in this country that sentences trespassers to death.

No one is saying that the teen is not at fault. He was in the wrong.

I see this case like road rage. The person who cuts another off, or who tailgates and drives in a manner that puts others at risk is in the wrong. But the person who takes a gun and shoots the other driver is more in the wrong. Report the reckless driver to the police. Take pictures. Don't take justice into your own hands.

Life is precious. Recognizing that is part of what makes us human. Those who don't respect and treasure life, theirs and others', are missing a part of their humanity.

You cannot be 100% sure he ws just "trespassing" can you?

Either way, you are arguing and we are on the same level, they were both wrong, however, the home owner had been trampled on before...he was tired...
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:44 AM
 
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The teen was a trespasser. Not a burglar as he didn't steal anything and has no record of stealing.
He doesn't need a criminal record to be a burglar and he doesn't need to steal anything to be a burglar. The homeowner stopped him before he stole anything. To be a burglar in most states you need to enter a dwelling place at night with the intent to commit a crime inside. He entered the attached garage at night with the intent to steal alcohol or other things. He was a burglar.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:49 AM
 
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You cannot be 100% sure he ws just "trespassing" can you?

Either way, you are arguing and we are on the same level, they were both wrong, however, the home owner had been trampled on before...he was tired...
Yes, we can be sure he was just trespassing.

That's what being on someone else's property without their permission is....trespassing.

He didn't have the opportunity to do anything further. He was shot dead. By someone who rushed OUT of his house and began blindly shooting into a darkened garage. I know lots of gun owners. That kind of behavior is strictly verboten. Not one gun owner do I know who defends this guy.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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He doesn't need a criminal record to be a burglar and he doesn't need to steal anything to be a burglar. The homeowner stopped him before he stole anything. To be a burglar in most states you need to enter a dwelling place at night with the intent to commit a crime inside. He entered the attached garage at night with the intent to steal alcohol or other things. He was a burglar.
Since he's dead, we don't know what was going through his head when he was in the garage. If he would have actually taken anything. If just the thrill of trespassing was enough for him. He can't tell us anymore. And since you're the person who doesn't even understand what "hearsay" is, I'm thinking you're not too up on "burglar", either.
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Old 05-20-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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You cannot be 100% sure he ws just "trespassing" can you?

Either way, you are arguing and we are on the same level, they were both wrong, however, the home owner had been trampled on before...he was tired...
"Tired" is not an excuse to take a life.

I don't know what planet some of the gun nuts are living on.
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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"Tired" is not an excuse to take a life.

I don't know what planet some of the gun nuts are living on.
Tired of being robbed?

You understand that when you call people names "gun nuts" well, never mind, you won't.
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Tired of being robbed?

You understand that when you call people names "gun nuts" well, never mind, you won't.
Name calling is all some poster have.
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:06 AM
 
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Yes, we can be sure he was just trespassing.

That's what being on someone else's property without their permission is....trespassing.

He didn't have the opportunity to do anything further. He was shot dead. By someone who rushed OUT of his house and began blindly shooting into a darkened garage. I know lots of gun owners. That kind of behavior is strictly verboten. Not one gun owner do I know who defends this guy.
So, let me ask you this, if the homeowner was NOT home, would he have stolen anything....this is why you cannot say he was "just trespassing."

What was his intent for being there?
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