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Eleven months to go and I've had more than enough of sniping, cheap shots, lame excuses, promises that evaporate as soon as the voting's over, and all the other garbage that has become the accepted meat of political campaigns when we should be hearing nothing more than what potential candidates propose doing to benefit the country and its people.
Is there really any hope that government can somehow be reclaimed from the two big parties? Parties that seemingly value their own success more than the success of the country? I'd like nothing more than to see a third party candidate with a plan win the Presidency and thumb his/her nose at both the Democrats and Republicans. Any possibility this can ever happen? Will it take an independent billionaire like Mike Bloomberg, if nothing else owing nothing to anyone, to trump the millionaire's club that two party politics has become? Do we need to start raising some potential candidates like veal? Locked away with no access to party politics, allowed only to study history and the Constitution?
And please, NO "the Loony-Left this" or "the Uptight-Right that" replies, there's enough arrogance, self-righteousness, pandering, back-stabbing, marital infidelity, back-pedaling, he did-she dids, I did nots, and other charming attributes on both sides of the aisle in this campaign to last through several election cycles.
Heck, things have hardly gotten started. How much money are the 527's sitting on? Be prepared for one of the most inane and insulting campaigns since...well, the last one.
Eleven months to go and I've had more than enough of sniping, cheap shots, lame excuses, promises that evaporate as soon as the voting's over, and all the other garbage that has become the accepted meat of political campaigns when we should be hearing nothing more than what potential candidates propose doing to benefit the country and its people.
Is there really any hope that government can somehow be reclaimed from the two big parties? Parties that seemingly value their own success more than the success of the country? I'd like nothing more than to see a third party candidate with a plan win the Presidency and thumb his/her nose at both the Democrats and Republicans. Any possibility this can ever happen? Will it take an independent billionaire like Mike Bloomberg, if nothing else owing nothing to anyone, to trump the millionaire's club that two party politics has become? Do we need to start raising some potential candidates like veal? Locked away with no access to party politics, allowed only to study history and the Constitution?
And please, NO "the Loony-Left this" or "the Uptight-Right that" replies, there's enough arrogance, self-righteousness, pandering, back-stabbing, marital infidelity, back-pedaling, he did-she dids, I did nots, and other charming attributes on both sides of the aisle in this campaign to last through several election cycles.
That brought a tear to my eye. Well said! The two parties have become a disgrace.
But its going to take the people who spend so much time complaining refusing to accept the standard 2 party system that is media spoon fed to the masses, and also the way the current election system is designed to force a 2 party system will have to stop.
While I do think it can happen, I'm not sure it will happen. People tend to get too caught up with cheering for a team instead of focusing specifically on the issues. I've gotten caught up in that myself from time to time because the media and the parties both constantly bait people to do so because it helps them keep shoving their dung down the halls of our govt.
Its really hard to avoid it altogether, but its very important that people learn to do so.
Eleven months to go and I've had more than enough of sniping, cheap shots, lame excuses, promises that evaporate as soon as the voting's over, and all the other garbage that has become the accepted meat of political campaigns when we should be hearing nothing more than what potential candidates propose doing to benefit the country and its people.
Is there really any hope that government can somehow be reclaimed from the two big parties? Parties that seemingly value their own success more than the success of the country? I'd like nothing more than to see a third party candidate with a plan win the Presidency and thumb his/her nose at both the Democrats and Republicans. Any possibility this can ever happen? Will it take an independent billionaire like Mike Bloomberg, if nothing else owing nothing to anyone, to trump the millionaire's club that two party politics has become? Do we need to start raising some potential candidates like veal? Locked away with no access to party politics, allowed only to study history and the Constitution?
And please, NO "the Loony-Left this" or "the Uptight-Right that" replies, there's enough arrogance, self-righteousness, pandering, back-stabbing, marital infidelity, back-pedaling, he did-she dids, I did nots, and other charming attributes on both sides of the aisle in this campaign to last through several election cycles.
I'm sorry to sound pessimistic and cynical ...
No. We won't reclaim our government from the politicians and the business lobbies. Why? We're afraid to.
Every 4 or 6 years, we the voters have the opportunities to make this much needed change by voting out the politicians, and voting in the true leaders who are beholden to no one but us. But we refuse to educate ourselves on complex and complicated issues; we refuse to educate ourselves on the folks who say they want to lead us; and for a country of people who constantly likes to criticize folks for not being independent, we depend almost entirely on our political parties to spoon feed us with "knowledge". And guess what? The last thing that those political parties are going to educate us on, will be how to change politics as usual.
Before politicians will ever believe that we expect much from them, they have to see that WE have high expectations of ourselves as voters and citizens.
Well , I personally dont subscribe to the theory that the two party system is broken . There has been plenty of third party attempts that have failed they usually become the spoiler, rossperot, . There is nothing to suggest that Bloomberg is Independent and or , once made his positions known would garner any more support than previous third party candidates, he could definately buy a lot of votes , but I thought that we were trying to get away from that? The answer is not more parties the answer is more involvement, it takes time and commitment and those that are willing to put that time and committment in are the ones that will see the results.
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Well , I personally dont subscribe to the theory that the two party system is broken . There has been plenty of third party attempts that have failed they usually become the spoiler, rossperot, . There is nothing to suggest that Bloomberg is Independent and or , once made his positions known would garner any more support than previous third party candidates, he could definately buy a lot of votes , but I thought that we were trying to get away from that? The answer is not more parties the answer is more involvement, it takes time and commitment and those that are willing to put that time and committment in are the ones that will see the results.
I tend to think the answer may be more like no parties. The national/international situation is constantly changing and one of the great downsides to party politics as usual is once someone chooses a party and its doctrine there seems to be little flexibility, even in a particular situation where it's called for.
Can we reclaim our government? yes we can. Thats what voting is about along with protesting. oranization is the key and at this point in time it's not looking like it will happen any time soon. People are either happy with thier lives, too lazy to care or they just flat don't care, if people want change they have to show the government they are unhappy and until then it's buisness as usual. If people no matter which party they are loyal to would drop that party and go independant or whatever it would make the government wonder whats happening. I would love to join in on a large protest that would make headline news, I've joined a few meaningfull protests but there is not enough people to make local news much less headline.
Our government knows we are not up to standing up for ourselves, until the people shock our govenment nothing will change.
Well , I personally dont subscribe to the theory that the two party system is broken . There has been plenty of third party attempts that have failed they usually become the spoiler, rossperot, . There is nothing to suggest that Bloomberg is Independent and or , once made his positions known would garner any more support than previous third party candidates, he could definately buy a lot of votes , but I thought that we were trying to get away from that? The answer is not more parties the answer is more involvement, it takes time and commitment and those that are willing to put that time and committment in are the ones that will see the results.
I appreciate the fix-it approach; however, we've had decades to do away with business-as-usual politics. Moreover, it really translates to "just give [my party] another chance to regain power so we can beat the other guys."
That's not leadership. Nor is it change. It's a fear of not being in power.
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