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Old 05-21-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
The U.S. has not experienced hyperinflation.

It is hard to take your arguments seriously when they are based on blatant falsehood.

However, I do agree with you. Congress is the blame. Congress makes the laws, not Obama.
Hyperinflation retrospective... let's look at a microscopic slice of the incremental hyperinflation that you do not notice.

1915 - loaf of bread - $0.05
2012 - loaf of bread - $3.45

Cessna 172 Skyhawk - 4 passenger aircraft.
1956 $8,700
2010 $269,500

Federal Minimum Wage
1956 - 0.75 / hour
2010 - 7.25 / hour

Hours of work (min. wage) needed to buy a plane (not including taxes deducted)
1956 - $8,700/0.75 = 11,600 hrs
2010 - $269,500/7.25 = 35,933 hrs


Shopsmith multipurpose wood working tool
1950 - $169.50
1980 - $799.99
2010 - $2999.99

Federal Minimum Wage
1950 - 0.75 / hour
1980 - 3.10 / hour
2010 - 7.25 / hour

Hours to work (min. wage) to buy SS tool
1950 : 169.50 / 0.75 = 226 hours
1980 : 799.99 / 3.10 = 258 hours
2010 : 2999.99 / 7.25 = 413 hours*
(* To add insult to injury, modern production technology reduces the amount of labor, and yet it costs MORE to buy! )

Thanks to the democratic socialist system, and the never ending inflation of the money system, today's worker has to work twice as much to get what his poor ancestors bought.

You can NEVER get ahead of the inflationary curve in that system.
A small reminder and a nod to Congress for debasing the money supply. Great job!

...
Sources
Bread 1915 $0.06
1915
Bread 1915 $0.055
Historic Value of Work Comparison 1915-2009 | Peace . Gold . LOVE

CESSNA 172 Skyhawk
Cessna 172 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
172 US $8,700 (1956)
They bumped up the price:
172R US $274,900 (2012)

Shopsmith Mark V
1950 - $169.50
1950 SHOPSMITH Original 2 Page AD 5 TOOL MACHINE LATHE | eBay
1980 - $799.99
I bought one, at this price in 1980
2010 - $2999.99
(latest 2012 price here)
Purchase a Shopsmith Mark 7 or Mark V
2012 - $3379.00
555924 Mark V Model 510 with Standard Fence and Table System... $3379.00

MINIMUM WAGE:
http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm
....
DollarTimes Inflation calculator (changing value of the dollar bill)
DollarTimes.com | Inflation Calculator
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Old 05-21-2014, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
You're unhappy.

Looks like all the apple-knockers are stuck in the Parisite States. No WONDER they're miserable.

They should move to California. Things are booming out here. We just regained 8th place in the WORLD economy this year.
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Old 05-21-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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So that other posters can judge the value of the website the OP has linked to... Another one of their "top stories" is about UFOs supposedly visit Earth and are secretly building underground tunnels on Earth to spy on humans. They claim to have found one such tunnel off the coast of Malibu.

I think it is fair to say that only true cretins would believe anything on that website.
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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jetgraphics -- You might also take into account the fact that a candy bar may have only cost a nickel...but it was *tiny*. And that loaf of bread was probably full of alum and/or other things you didn't really want to eat.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Hyperinflation retrospective... let's look at a microscopic slice of the incremental hyperinflation that you do not notice.

1915 - loaf of bread - $0.05
2012 - loaf of bread - $3.45

Cessna 172 Skyhawk - 4 passenger aircraft.
1956 $8,700
2010 $269,500

Federal Minimum Wage
1956 - 0.75 / hour
2010 - 7.25 / hour

Hours of work (min. wage) needed to buy a plane (not including taxes deducted)
1956 - $8,700/0.75 = 11,600 hrs
2010 - $269,500/7.25 = 35,933 hrs


Shopsmith multipurpose wood working tool
1950 - $169.50
1980 - $799.99
2010 - $2999.99

Federal Minimum Wage
1950 - 0.75 / hour
1980 - 3.10 / hour
2010 - 7.25 / hour

Hours to work (min. wage) to buy SS tool
1950 : 169.50 / 0.75 = 226 hours
1980 : 799.99 / 3.10 = 258 hours
2010 : 2999.99 / 7.25 = 413 hours*
(* To add insult to injury, modern production technology reduces the amount of labor, and yet it costs MORE to buy! )

Thanks to the democratic socialist system, and the never ending inflation of the money system, today's worker has to work twice as much to get what his poor ancestors bought.

You can NEVER get ahead of the inflationary curve in that system.
A small reminder and a nod to Congress for debasing the money supply. Great job!

...
Sources
Bread 1915 $0.06
1915
Bread 1915 $0.055
Historic Value of Work Comparison 1915-2009 | Peace . Gold . LOVE

CESSNA 172 Skyhawk
Cessna 172 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
172 US $8,700 (1956)
They bumped up the price:
172R US $274,900 (2012)

Shopsmith Mark V
1950 - $169.50
1950 SHOPSMITH Original 2 Page AD 5 TOOL MACHINE LATHE | eBay
1980 - $799.99
I bought one, at this price in 1980
2010 - $2999.99
(latest 2012 price here)
Purchase a Shopsmith Mark 7 or Mark V
2012 - $3379.00
555924 Mark V Model 510 with Standard Fence and Table System... $3379.00

MINIMUM WAGE:
http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm
....
DollarTimes Inflation calculator (changing value of the dollar bill)
DollarTimes.com | Inflation Calculator
What a fallacious pile of nonsense.

"Hey look, my big screen tv costs less now than three years ago. This is proif positive of hyperdeflation."
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Thank you for the kind words of support.
Since you have no facts in rebuttal, and resort to insults, that is evidence of capitulation.
Thank you, again.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:48 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Hyperinflation retrospective... let's look at a microscopic slice of the incremental hyperinflation that you do not notice.

1915 - loaf of bread - $0.05
2012 - loaf of bread - $3.45

Cessna 172 Skyhawk - 4 passenger aircraft.
1956 $8,700
2010 $269,500

Federal Minimum Wage
1956 - 0.75 / hour
2010 - 7.25 / hour

Hours of work (min. wage) needed to buy a plane (not including taxes deducted)
1956 - $8,700/0.75 = 11,600 hrs
2010 - $269,500/7.25 = 35,933 hrs


Shopsmith multipurpose wood working tool
1950 - $169.50
1980 - $799.99
2010 - $2999.99

Federal Minimum Wage
1950 - 0.75 / hour
1980 - 3.10 / hour
2010 - 7.25 / hour

Hours to work (min. wage) to buy SS tool
1950 : 169.50 / 0.75 = 226 hours
1980 : 799.99 / 3.10 = 258 hours
2010 : 2999.99 / 7.25 = 413 hours*
(* To add insult to injury, modern production technology reduces the amount of labor, and yet it costs MORE to buy! )

Thanks to the democratic socialist system, and the never ending inflation of the money system, today's worker has to work twice as much to get what his poor ancestors bought.

You can NEVER get ahead of the inflationary curve in that system.
A small reminder and a nod to Congress for debasing the money supply. Great job!

...
Sources
Bread 1915 $0.06
1915
Bread 1915 $0.055
Historic Value of Work Comparison 1915-2009 | Peace . Gold . LOVE

CESSNA 172 Skyhawk
Cessna 172 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
172 US $8,700 (1956)
They bumped up the price:
172R US $274,900 (2012)

Shopsmith Mark V
1950 - $169.50
1950 SHOPSMITH Original 2 Page AD 5 TOOL MACHINE LATHE | eBay
1980 - $799.99
I bought one, at this price in 1980
2010 - $2999.99
(latest 2012 price here)
Purchase a Shopsmith Mark 7 or Mark V
2012 - $3379.00
555924 Mark V Model 510 with Standard Fence and Table System... $3379.00

MINIMUM WAGE:
http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/chart.htm
....
DollarTimes Inflation calculator (changing value of the dollar bill)
DollarTimes.com | Inflation Calculator
Thank you for posting this rock solid comparison. There is not a thing anyone can do to touch this. I've known what you are saying here to be true for a long time, but I've been too lazy to do any analysis as you've done here. Again, thank you.

Should point out that for certain hi-tech items, the trend is not so dramatic as here, but for everyday items it's nearly uniform in this trend.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fancy-Schmancy View Post
jetgraphics -- You might also take into account the fact that a candy bar may have only cost a nickel...but it was *tiny*. And that loaf of bread was probably full of alum and/or other things you didn't really want to eat.
Nice try.

If anything, that loaf of bread was far more wholesome in 1915, although it probably wouldn't have kept as long as our chemistry set bread today.

And as for Hershey bars... again, nice try. They were roughly the same size as they are today with a slight variation to slightly greater size and slightly smaller size over the years.

Here's one from 1928 to 1935 : 1 7/8 oz compared to today's 1.55 oz.

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Old 05-21-2014, 10:54 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RD5050 View Post
Looks like your huge RED FLAGS are mostly GREEN these days !!!

Dow Jones 16,514.92 +140.61 (0.86%)
S&P 500 1,883.85 +11.02 (0.59%)
Nasdaq 4,119.90 +23.00 (0.56%)


The 1%, isn't doing so bad these days.
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Old 05-21-2014, 11:02 PM
 
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You've got to be kidding, chrisc. Using the minimum wage, which is far behind inflation, as a benchmark in analysing inflation, is ridiculous. Rock solid? Lmao.
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Old 05-21-2014, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Are those stock price gains in 2014 dollar bills or 2006 dollar bills or 1970 dollar bills?
The dollar bill values are continually dropping so it's hard to tell how much was lost in the "gain."
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