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Old 05-28-2014, 06:11 AM
 
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Medicaid costs doctors money. Insurance is useless when no one will treat you. Except ER's attached to hospitals that took federal money which must under the Hill-Burton Act.

Good thing I own a company that codes+processes ER accounts.

Srsly though, ACA insurance is sht.

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Old 05-28-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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Medicaid costs doctors money. Insurance is useless when no one will treat you. Except ER's attached to hospitals that took federal money which must under the Hill-Burton Act.

Good thing I own a company that codes+processes ER accounts.

Srsly though, ACA insurance is sht.
Washington State got rid of all the non-compliant plans at all levels. When people show up at the hospital, bills for the most part will be paid. The deductible portion of the billing from the hospitals perspective will be a small part of the bill. We are already five months into the year and there is no report of doctors or hospitals being overloaded by new patients. It was the hospitals in many states who pushed for the expansion of Medicaid. In Arizona both Banner and Carondelet Hospitals were losing lots of money. Medicaid expansion is a lifeline that will keep them in business.

Primary care system handling Obamacare surge ... so far
 
Old 05-28-2014, 06:49 AM
 
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Washington State got rid of all the non-compliant plans at all levels. When people show up at the hospital, bills for the most part will be paid. The deductible portion of the billing from the hospitals perspective will be a small part of the bill. We are already five months into the year and there is no report of doctors or hospitals being overloaded by new patients. It was the hospitals in many states who pushed for the expansion of Medicaid. In Arizona both Banner and Carondelet Hospitals were losing lots of money. Medicaid expansion is a lifeline that will keep them in business.

Primary care system handling Obamacare surge ... so far
Exactly so. My sister came in through the ER in respiratory arrest--she would have been treated regardless of her ability to pay, and the hospital, pre-Medicaid expansion, would have ended up eating that entire bill. Now they will get some reimbursement for these patients which will allow them to keep their doors open and continue to serve the community.

One misconception the Democrats made in implementing the ACA was the assumption that the GOP would never hang the hospitals out to dry the way they did, for purely political reasons. I wonder how many hospital systems will falter and/or fold in the red states that refuse Medicaid expansion? And how those failures will cascade down through the entire healthcare system in those states.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 06:56 AM
 
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And then they receive a bill in the mail because of their high deductible. Those who have never had insurance are in for a very rude awakening.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 07:15 AM
 
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And then they receive a bill in the mail because of their high deductible. Those who have never had insurance are in for a very rude awakening.
Stop with the patronizing crap. Most people know how insurance works. What kind of rude awakening do you think those who have no access to insurance receive when they get the entire bill in the mail with no help to pay for it?
 
Old 05-28-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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Stop with the patronizing crap. Most people know how insurance works. What kind of rude awakening do you think those who have no access to insurance receive when they get the entire bill in the mail with no help to pay for it?
Most people had insurance before Obamacare.

Obamacare was intended to cover 36 million uninsured in Obama's own words...36 million uninsured.... and he pointed out the 46 million number had been with illegal aliens and so he anmmended to 36 mill when questioned by the interviewer.

Many of that 36 million chose not to have coverage.

Now the CBO tells us 30 million will not be covered under obamacare.

So that means the world has been turned upside down to accomodate about 6 muillion people.

You then have to ask yourself is obamacare about health care or the co-lateral changes made that would otherwise not be approved if proposed.

Feel lucky do you that this law that cares not about healthcare but insurnace cioverage was passed by your representatives who could neither cite page nor verse of the 2,200+ page legislation when questioned.

ie
"Hey, I just bought you a car, give me all your money and you can find out what you now own. Oh, I never even saw the car i purchased for you."
 
Old 05-28-2014, 07:37 AM
 
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And then they receive a bill in the mail because of their high deductible. Those who have never had insurance are in for a very rude awakening.
Medicaid doesn't have a deductible, does it ? The expanded Medicaid is what these writers and commenters call 'newly insured.' I don't know when the word 'insurance' lost it's common meaning, but Medicaid is nothing like 'insurance.'
 
Old 05-28-2014, 07:39 AM
 
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And then they receive a bill in the mail because of their high deductible. Those who have never had insurance are in for a very rude awakening.
I know what you mean. I have the best insurance money can buy. If say I have cancer and need to go through $100,000 of treatment, I am only responsible for $1,000 of it. Heck, if my cancer treatment is $1,000,000, I'm still only responsible for $1,000. My co-pays can be counted with 1 hand. I can access any doctor, any specialist I want without being referred. I just pick up the phone and set up an appointment. My monthly premium, though, is sky high.

Would you rather people pay the sky high monthly that I have? Are you suggesting that people should either have what I have or nothing at all?

I'm curious. What kind of insurance have you always had?
 
Old 05-28-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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More Proof Obamacare Isn't Working... Too Many People Have Insurance
It's going to be a HUGE budget problem for states, both red and blue.

States Confronting New Concerns Medicaid Costs Will Rise Due To Obamacare « CBS DC

Expect state income/sales/etc. taxes to increase. That shifts even more of Obamacare's costs to the middle class and poor.
 
Old 05-28-2014, 09:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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One of the arguments of the Tea Party was to force a large number of people to go without insurance to drive costs down.
Do you have any link or reference to ANY Tea Party person ever saying this?

Or are you just "making up 'facts' as you go along", in your usual blind hatred for the TEA Party?
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