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Old 05-31-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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So I am trying to clarify...a woman doesn't have the right to make decisions about her own body?

So a woman must carry a child from a rapist, even if it was her own family, to full term?

A woman must keep a child if her life is threatened?
She has every right to make decisions about her individual body, until another individual is introduced to it. Only the exception of her life being in danger, however those and rapes count for less than 1% of abortions.

The majority are done for ''birth control'' due to drunken one night stands and the mother believes the child is an inconvenience, sometimes she is scared and pushed into abortion by her boyfriend or family, and among the highest is aborting because a baby might have a chance of having Downs Syndrome or another disorder. If there was a gay gene and it was found, what's to stop people from Killing those babies who have it?
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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Blastocysts and embryos are not individuals.
Have you ever seen a baby before? Or a baby that was aborted? It has hands, tiny fingers, eyes, a little heart, a nose, it even has it's own unique finger prints. It's a person, and now it's dead.

Calling them an embryo, or lump of cells, or a parasite is a classic attempt at dehumanizing a person. IIt makes it easier to strip people of their God given Rights, the same thing happened with blacks and slavery, the same thing happened with Jews and the Holocaust, the same thing happened to homosexuals, and the same thing happens to babies today.

I would link to pictures of aborted babies but it would probably be against the rules here, but anyone who supports abortion after seeing that has no soul.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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Have you ever seen a baby before? Or a baby that was aborted? It has hands, tiny fingers, eyes, a little heart, a nose, it even has it's own unique finger prints. It's a person, and now it's dead.

Calling them an embryo, or lump of cells, or a parasite is a classic attempt at dehumanizing a person. IIt makes it easier to strip people of their God given Rights, the same thing happened with blacks and slavery, the same thing happened with Jews and the Holocaust, the same thing happened to homosexuals, and the same thing happens to babies today.

I would link to pictures of aborted babies but it would probably be against the rules here, but anyone who supports abortion after seeing that has no soul.
Blastocysts and embryos are not individuals.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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I'll rephrase the question, if we somehow found a gay gene and it could be spotted in childbirth, and people wanted to kill the baby via abortion because of it having the gay gene, would you support it? (I am asking for self described liberals/Progressives to answer).

How can liberals claim to believe in gay rights when they would support denying them of their God given Right to Life through the selective murder of gay people in the womb? Pro Life conservatives like myself are actually more supportive of gay rights than liberals as we actually believe they have a right to life like everyone else.

For the record, I am proudly pro life and while I do disagree with the gay lifestyle and do not believe in a gay gene, I would never support the brutal killing of anyone, in the womb or otherwise.
FYI, not all of us are pro-choice. I'm unapologetically opposed to abortions except in cases of rape.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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Blastocysts and embryos are not individuals.
''If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it''-Joseph Gobbels, Hitler's Grand Minister of Propaganda.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:53 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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So you believe that the Right to Life of an individual should be decided by another individual? For ''whatever reason''?

That's some pretty dangerous logic you have there.
Is the baby capable of life outside the womb? Yes? It shouldn't be legal to abort, for any reason. No? It should be legal to abort, for any reason.

Hope that clears it up for you.

It's much better than your "logic". The law has no business telling a prospective mother what to do with her body up until the baby is capable of life outside the womb. Any small government conservative should agree with me.

Far-right religious "conservatives" will not, but then, they're not really conservatives.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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FYI, not all of us are pro-choice. I'm unapologetically opposed to abortions except in cases of rape.
I've never understood people who are against abortion but with exceptions for things like rape or incest. Why is it okay to murder that baby, but not others?
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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''If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it''-Joseph Gobbels, Hitler's Grand Minister of Propaganda.
Took 65 posts to roll out the Nazi comparisons. Impressive restraint for this forum.

Any logical argument is still completely absent, however.

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Old 05-31-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Whether or not to abort is a question and answer that can only be decided between a woman and her doctor and preferably with the support of the man who did the impregnating. As an outsider, I have no right to impose my beliefs on when and where life begins on another so my opinion on the 'gay gene' thing is immaterial.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:58 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Whether or not to abort is a question and answer that can only be decided between a woman and her doctor and preferably with the support of the man who did the impregnating. As an outsider, I have no right to impose my beliefs on when and where life begins on another so my opinion on the 'gay gene' thing is immaterial.
Another true small-government conservative. Bravo.

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