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Old 06-03-2014, 12:35 PM
 
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Because they are locked up and not able to run to a doctor or hospital??? Good grief!
Yes, that must be the reason. Because they are locked up. LOL.

 
Old 06-03-2014, 12:37 PM
 
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If health care isn't a right, why is it required by law that prisoners get treatment? Couldn't we just let them go without treatment and die?
I always wondered that myself. But it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment
not to treat them.

So I guess if you are a murderer we can't be cruel, but if you are a law abiding
middle class person who can't afford your radiation treatments, your tough out
of luck
 
Old 06-03-2014, 12:42 PM
 
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If you don't think tort reform is critical to good business pricing, then tell that to the people who live in Texas and don't have to put up with crap lawyers, juries and stupidity of frivolous lawsuits. Tort reform makes a tremendous difference.
Tort reforms had done what with medical costs in TX?
 
Old 06-03-2014, 12:44 PM
 
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Because they are locked up and not able to run to a doctor or hospital??? Good grief!
They have docs & hospitals in the prison system.

Ever hear of the US Medical Center for Federal Prisoners.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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I agree with you that people who are decent human beings should help those people. I also don't believe that threatening people with force or violence in order to do so is being a decent human being. If there is someone injured on the side of the road and nobody is helping, I agree that is terrible. I also think it's terrible if I took out a gun and said "You all need to help this man or else!" It's not moral to force others to do anything against their will, even if the result is good.

So in those situations, the moral thing would be to help them yourself as much as possible, ask others to assist you, and find a doctor that will voluntarily care for their medical issues. If the doctor refuses you could say they are an awful human being, but that doesn't give anyone the right to overpower them and FORCE them to help. In my experience, most doctors are very willing to make personal sacrifices for patients, so I think people are a bit too cynical when they think nobody will do anything if they aren't forced to do it.
That's what we did. It's called "Obamacare" and Medicare and Medicaid and the VA.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Because they are locked up and not able to run to a doctor or hospital??? Good grief!
So? If it's not a right, how is it government's responsibility? Didn't they get themselves put in jail? They freely made the choice to commit crimes. If you want to be able to go to a hospital don't be a criminal. Right?
 
Old 06-03-2014, 12:59 PM
 
Location: California
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That's what we did. It's called "Obamacare" and Medicare and Medicaid and the VA.

Medicare is an insurance paid for by individuals having the premium withheld from their earnings and is totally different than Obamacare and Medicaid.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Medicare is an insurance paid for by individuals having the premium withheld from their earnings and is totally different than Obamacare and Medicaid.
How is it different? Obamacare is a law that requires you to buy insurance. Medicaid is insurance just like Medicare. Everybody who gets a paycheck pays for it. True, children don't get paid so they don't contribute to Medicaid, but that's because we don't allow kids to work in this country.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 01:10 PM
 
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Medicare is an insurance paid for by individuals having the premium withheld from their earnings and is totally different than Obamacare and Medicaid.
No, EVERYONE pays into Medicare.
 
Old 06-03-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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I agree with you that people who are decent human beings should help those people. I also don't believe that threatening people with force or violence in order to do so is being a decent human being. If there is someone injured on the side of the road and nobody is helping, I agree that is terrible. I also think it's terrible if I took out a gun and said "You all need to help this man or else!" It's not moral to force others to do anything against their will, even if the result is good.

So in those situations, the moral thing would be to help them yourself as much as possible, ask others to assist you, and find a doctor that will voluntarily care for their medical issues. If the doctor refuses you could say they are an awful human being, but that doesn't give anyone the right to overpower them and FORCE them to help. In my experience, most doctors are very willing to make personal sacrifices for patients, so I think people are a bit too cynical when they think nobody will do anything if they aren't forced to do it.
Our constitution says for government "to insure domestic tranquility" and "promote the general welfare"

It is also our governments job to help those people.
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