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Lol... the right-wing lunatics on this forum are hilarious.
If Obama doesn't start a nuclear war with Russia, he's "weak" and "ineffective."
If Obama takes any action against Russia he's "a big spender who's wasting our tax dollars."'
We get it - nothing he does will ever meet the approval of the far right, not one of whom can propose an even remotely reasonable solution to the Russia issue, and not one of which can maintain a consist world view other than "Whaaa!!! I don't like the black guy in the White House!"
You are being an anti-Intellectual using the same strawman tactics that Obama uses too often.
Show me any person that has said Obama is "weak and ineffective" for not starting a "nuclear war" with Russia and then now in ADDITION complains about Obama increasing military spending to fight Russia (who isn't a geo-political foe???).
I bet you can't. All you can do is throw out silly strawman comments and the racecard -- because you can't intellectually challenge my post so that is all you have with your weak hand: racecards and strawman cards.
Please start thinking and actually respond.
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated
$1 billion? Seriously...?
The right-wing whines about the $500 billion we spend in welfare & entitlements, now they have resorted to whining about $1 billion for the military to help our Europeon Allies.
Give.
Me.
A.
Break.
Why don't you try addressing the topic more specifically.
The EU has a 17 Trillion Dollar a year economy and over 500 Million People.
Russia has a 2.5 Trillion Dollar a year economy and less than 150 Million People.
Is it not absurd for the US to keep throwing money to defend a LARGER than the USA, EU from a smaller Russia? And for kicks, a Russia that a very naive Obama recently said wasn't even a geo-political foe.
The US spends too much $$$ being a world police so that the EU can spend $$$ bettering their peoples' lives. Are you fine with this, so long as Obama is sending thrills up Chris Mathews leg? Or is this a bad policy under Obama, Bush, etc...
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Kerry and Obama may be the only two people in the world surprised by "events in Ukraine" where the pair of foriegn policy geniuses believed that Russia's aggressive military moves "were behind us."
Kerry and Obama may be the only two people in the world surprised by "events in Ukraine" where the pair of foriegn policy geniuses believed that Russia's aggressive military moves "were behind us."
Obama encouraged it by promising Putin more flexibility.
Lol... the right-wing lunatics on this forum are hilarious.
If Obama doesn't start a nuclear war with Russia, he's "weak" and "ineffective."
If Obama takes any action against Russia he's "a big spender who's wasting our tax dollars."'
We get it - nothing he does will ever meet the approval of the far right, not one of whom can propose an even remotely reasonable solution to the Russia issue, and not one of which can maintain a consist world view other than "Whaaa!!! I don't like the black guy in the White House!"
Nice of the "left"...note I didn't say liberals, support an even bigger military.
Didn't Margaret Thatcher say that it was absurd for 300 Million Europeans to rely on defense from 200 Million Americans against Russia?
Today there are over 500 Million people living in the European Union with a $17 Trillion economy compared to 144 Million living in Russia with a $2.5 Trillion economy. The EU does not even include the UK, which has an economy equal to that of Russia. Why can't they spend their own money to defend themselves?
The European Union should start taking a bigger role in easing their own tensions against Russia the geo-political foe -- unless they want to pay us the $1 Billion for the extra protection, they should do it themselves. We waste so much money being "world police" while European countries spend their money on their own people and not their military.
Well we keep enabling them. Its like feeding the stray cat.
The European Union should start taking a bigger role in easing their own tensions against Russia the geo-political foe -- unless they want to pay us the $1 Billion for the extra protection, they should do it themselves. We waste so much money being "world police" while European countries spend their money on their own people and not their military.
Ohh, please stop playing "world police". That's one of the main reasons why the U.S. is so unpopular in Germany. Most Americans always think they have to play "world police". Really, the vast majority of Europeans don't want american troops in Europe. They are really not necessary. The U.S. can save a lot of money and raise simultaneous their reputation. I don't like Russia, but they are not a threat for Poland or the Baltic countries. That's a figment of NATO generals, right wing US politicains or the defence industry.
Please spend the money to reduce the poverty in the U.S. or build more parks. A lot of Americans are still to day stuck in the era of the cold war.
Ohh, please stop playing "world police". That's one of the main reasons why the U.S. is so unpopular in Germany. Most Americans always think they have to play "world police". Really, the vast majority of Europeans don't want american troops in Europe. They are really not necessary. The U.S. can save a lot of money and raise simultaneous their reputation. I don't like Russia, but they are not a threat for Poland or the Baltic countries. That's a figment of NATO generals, right wing US politicains or the defence industry.
Please spend the money to reduce the poverty in the U.S. or build more parks. A lot of Americans are still to day stuck in the era of the cold war.
I agree.
As for US Troops there aren't that many left in Europe and the if many of the options listed in the latest RAND Report on US Military base closures in Europe are implemented, it will mean the US will have little more than a tiny token force in Europe.
The EU collectively spends more on it's military than any of it's adversaries, and accounts for nearly a quarter of military expenditure, with an impressive array of manpower and capabilities.
Originally Posted by Stars and Stripes - 2nd March 2014
For EUCOM, the type of strategic choices it now faces are captured in a recent cost-benefit analysis of overseas bases conducted by the Rand Corp. Commissioned by the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the 487-page report offers a glimpse of the dilemmas EUCOM and the Pentagon face.
To achieve a savings of about $2 billion per year in Europe, the report says, sweeping cuts and multiple base closures would be required, including the Army’s Joint Multinational Training Center in Grafenwöhr, Aviano Air Base in Italy and RAF Lakenheath in the U.K.
In addition, the Army’s two remaining combat brigades would have to be returned to the U.S. along with most soldiers in Europe. Meanwhile, the Air Force presence of roughly 30,000 Airmen would have to be cut in half.
Currently the US has around 30,000 soldiers in Europe based around two combat brigades (2nd Cav and 173rd Parachute), medical facilities and logistics, 30,000 USAF personnel based around three operational front line bases and again a lot of logistics and refueling facilities for global operations. If the two combat brigades are removed, then you going to be left with less than 10,000 US Troops in Europe, and the USAF in Europe may also be halved in size leaving less than 15,000 personnel. As for the US Navy it keeps a facility in Italy to support US operations in the Mediterranean and Middle East, which is home to less than 5,000 personnel. Contrast this with the EU which has 1,551,038 Active Military Personnel and a couple of million reservists.
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