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Old 06-04-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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I was watching a documentary on CNN about income inequality and the general conscious of the piece was that if someone worked full time and worked hard that society through the government and employers owed them a middle class lifestyle. Do you agree?

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Old 06-04-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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No! Just because you work full time at some crappy MW job does NOT mean you deserve a Middle Class lifestyle! By that nonsense, since I have gotten certifications and skills at what I do, I should expect a rich lifestyle?
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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No one owes them anything.

Who has lied to all these people and why do they believe it????
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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I was watching a documentary on CNN about income inequality and the general conscious of the piece was that if someone worked full time and worked hard that society through the government and employers owed them a middle class lifestyle. Do you agree?

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Maybe if you could provide a working link to the piece my general conscious could absorb what was said.
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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No one owes them anything.

Who has lied to all these people and why do they believe it????
Because it used to be true until we allowed corporate greed to become our messiah and watched our jobs disappear overseas. Now people are stunned at the disappearance of the American middle class and are turning to the only thing they think will restore it. Certainly the corporations won't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

It's hard to give up the American Dream, and to face the reality that we will never again automatically be able to improve upon the lifestyle of our parents' generation.
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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I don't think so. It would be nice if people who worked full time at least made a living wage, one that could afford them the basics like enough money to rent a room and buy groceries, etc. but expecting a wage that affords a middle class lifestyle in any profession is just not realistic. A person who works as a cashier at a fast food restaurant should not be making the same income as an accountant or a plumber a or a paralegal, etc. Fast Food workers actually do have to work hard, I've done it, I know but it does not require any type of skill. If someone starts out in that type of job then they can work their way up the ladder or they can choose to learn a skill or a trade or go to school and further their education to increase opportunities. A Middle Class Lifestyle is something to strive for but it's not a given.
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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Because it used to be true until we allowed corporate greed to become our messiah and watched our jobs disappear overseas.
They had a lot of help from our government.

The EPA has done a lot of harm.
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:46 AM
 
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They had a lot of help from our government.

The EPA has done a lot of harm.
So have St. Ronnie, the conservative movement and the slavish worship of giant corporations, banks and unfettered capitalism.
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:51 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Because it used to be true until we allowed corporate greed to become our messiah and watched our jobs disappear overseas. Now people are stunned at the disappearance of the American middle class and are turning to the only thing they think will restore it. Certainly the corporations won't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

It's hard to give up the American Dream, and to face the reality that we will never again automatically be able to improve upon the lifestyle of our parents' generation.

You can thank Clinton for signing NAFTA into law. Yeah Bush1 may have had a hand in putting it together, but in the end it was Clinton who moved it forward. Same with The Patriot ACT. Bush2 put it together, and enacted it, and Obama continued it, as well as expanded it. Further proof that both parties are full of s***, and no longer represent the will of the people!
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Old 06-04-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Absolutely. Anyone who works full time should not be poor.

It's absurd that we live in a country where people working 40 hours a week are poor, and on public assistance. It's just another way we're subsidizing corporations.
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