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Old 06-24-2014, 07:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
The IRS can't reject legal entities. That is not their call.
They can and did reject tax exempt status which is the issue.

 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:40 AM
 
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He's lying, just like Obama, the entire administration, and the host of sycophants that mindlessly defend this corrupt regime.
I agree, these incompetent Obama flunkies should be FIRED asap !!!

The Obama scandals seem to be never ending.

This joke administration is a disgrace to America.
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Seems simple enough. Throw Lerner and the IRS head that is stonewalling and the other people whose hard drives were erased in prison for obstruction of justice and hindering the investigation. Let them rot in there until they rat out you know who. Then toss HIM in prison.
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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Did anyone on the committee ask why the emails were not available on the backup servers.
They don't have backup servers, the email servers are going to be in what is called a RAID array which uses redundant drives. This is your primary guard against data loss because the loss of a drive is irrelevant. You pop out a failed drive and the replacement can be rebuilt from the others in the RAID array. This is going to prevent almost any data loss.

If for example you lose two drives at once which is a very unlikely event they have backup tapes stored at an off site location, say for example a terrorist blows up the server they can always go back to the tape. The issue with these backup tapes is they were overwriting them every six months, that's a lame policy. Typically when you are going to back up data you keep incremental backups so you can go back in time if you need too.

Suppose you're writing your life story and have a 600 page word document, you save it to your local drive and make a weekly backup somewhere else. Think your safe? Not if you are overwriting the backup, suppose you accidentally delete 400 pages in the middle and don't realize it. You save your local copy and a week later overwrite your backup.... Now they are both toast.

The problem at the IRS is the policy was once an employee hit X amount of emails they had to move those emails to their PC. You no longer have redundant disks and once six months has elapsed the only copy left is on the local desktop.

The claims about it costing 10 or 20 million to upgrade the email servers may be true however these backup tapes are relatively inexpensive in the grand scheme of things. Had they put a policy in place of only purging those moved documents from the server once a backup was made and kept the tapes instead of recycling them then we wouldn't be having this discussion. You're talking about a few thousand each month to prevent data loss.
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Yeah, cant say I understand not getting more back up tapes. No point in backing up if you're just going to over write.
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes, America and the Declaration of Independence, has been disgraced, as the Constitution gets raped.
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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You are a blind partisan.

Lerner et al were quite guilty.

But the offense was bureaucratic ineptitude. The whole concept of political action by a 501(c)(4) is against the law. And the statute language is plain and obvious.

The IRS allowed such action by regulation. That was an illegal act. Lerner et al attempted to develop a fix in the light of this illegal act. They did so with great ineptitude.

So let us keep in mind that the whole thing was flatly illegal. And that is actually the sin of the IRS.

Now wake up and put your country and its laws ahead of the blind political goals of the right wing.
Are you pulling our collective legs with that tomfoolery.

You're suggesting that the IRS was trying to 'fix' its own illegal implementation of the law by targeting 'tea party,' 'patriot,' and other Likely anti-Obama groups for strict enforcement.

'Bureaucratic ineptitude' ? Ineptitude would have been targeting Organizing for Action, Americans United for Change, and other Obama/left/progressive orgs.
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:50 AM
 
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What was being done was completely legal. Nobody buys the spin any longer.
Agreed.

The corrupted democrat voters blindly buy into this whole coincidence of events ploy.

  1. Learner pleads the fifth
  2. coincidentally her dog ate her emails
  3. the IRS canceled their contract which backed up her emails
  4. they destroyed her hard drive
  5. and ooops, everyone else in the IRS who is the target of this investigation... their dogs ate their emails as well.

Just a wacky bunch of hilariously coincidental events.


...."not a smidgen."
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:50 AM
 
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Default Hot Back-up

I worked in the federal bureaucracy for years. Everyone, chief or lowly clerk, had either a laptop or tower in which there was a hard drive all hooked to the local network which were a bunch of servers in a closet on the same floor and those local servers were hooked to the agency network servers. Every Friday the IT guy for that floor would do a "hot back up" of the information on the local servers to preserve everyone's work that week on either disk or tape (I am not sure which) and that disk or tape was then sent off site to storage. The archive was required by law which pertains to every federal agency.

For a while, IT installed a key stroke counter on every computer. At noon our computers would freeze while all that stored information about what was typed on the government computer was sent somewhere for review. We all knew that everything we typed on the government computer was preserved and possibly reviewed. That's how federal managers know when a federal employee is watching porn on his computer.

I was given old equipment and eventually my hard drive would not spin up. More than once. Each time I was given another POS and everything that the servers had on my bad hard drive was downloaded from the servers to my "new" hard drive. Never lost any e-mail. IT pulled the bad hard drives and kept them so data could be pulled from them in case management found something they could hang us on. Why wouldn't they? Not personal, just SOP.

Assume there is an IRS cover-up (like Watergate, don't worry about the break-in, worry about the conspiracy to cover-up the crime). Many federal employees would have to be involved in destroying evidence. If the federal oversight committee wants to start squeezing everyone that would have to be involved to actively go into the systems with administrative privileges to delete Lerner files, truth will out. But I think it's not in Congress' interest to destroy the credibility of the IRS. So after a bit, a pass will be given, and a favor earned. Business as usual.
 
Old 06-24-2014, 07:50 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Throw these people in jail and call for their execution. I bet a million dollars, they start singing like a Cardinal on a mid-summer morning.
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