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Old 06-25-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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When I was a hiring manager I wasn't allowed to fire one of the worst employees of all time because she was a lesbian and therefore in a protected class. Please explain how that would be having the same rights as everyone.
This isn't true. There is no law that would stop you from firing anyone with the same standards you use to fire others.

If they were routinely late, you document it and fire them. If they stole, you document it and fire them. etc. There is no law that states you can not fire someone for the same reasons as others because of their sexual preferences.

 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:17 PM
 
Location: North America
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When I was a hiring manager I wasn't allowed to fire one of the worst employees of all time because she was a lesbian and therefore in a protected class. Please explain how that would be having the same rights as everyone.
That was your companies decision to do that, not her having special rights. As long as she can't prove her sexuality is the basis for you firing her have the right to fire her.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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This isn't true. There is no law that would stop you from firing anyone with the same standards you use to fire others.

If they were routinely late, you document it and fire them. If they stole, you document it and fire them. etc. There is no law that states you can not fire someone for the same reasons as others because of their sexual preferences.
Oh....so you were there then and you know that it wasn't true that my HR dept made the decision not to allow me to fire her because she's in a protected class. So are you going to now deny that these protected classes do actually exist?
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Oh....so you were there then and you know that it wasn't true that my HR dept made the decision not to allow me to fire her because she's in a protected class. So are you going to now deny that these protected classes do actually exist?
No, they exist, as I stated above. I would imagine HR felt your motivation for firing her was not based on her performance, hence why they didn't allow it.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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That was your companies decision to do that, not her having special rights. As long as she can't prove her sexuality is the basis for you firing her have the right to fire her.
She was not terminated due to her protected class status. That is giving someone special rights due to fear of repercussions due to her sexual preference.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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Oh....so you were there then and you know that it wasn't true that my HR dept made the decision not to allow me to fire her because she's in a protected class. So are you going to now deny that these protected classes do actually exist?
If your HR dept refused to do something that had nothing to do with any laws. No, she was not a part of a protected class here from what has been presented. You just have a weak HR dept.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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No, they exist, as I stated above. I would imagine HR felt your motivation for firing her was not based on her performance, hence why they didn't allow it.
You people are absolutely priceless. Ok- you caught on. The only reason that we would possibly have fired her was because she was gay and you were able to pick that up right away from over the interwebz. It wasn't that her job performance was horrendous, she had a belligerent attitude, and didn't get along with anyone in the company on any level. It must be really awesome to be clairvoyant.......
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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She was not terminated due to her protected class status. That is giving someone special rights due to fear of repercussions due to her sexual preference.
Which is likely because you wanted to fire her for non performance based reasons.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:27 PM
 
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You people are absolutely priceless. Ok- you caught on. The only reason that we would possibly have fired her was because she was gay and you were able to pick that up right away from over the interwebz. It wasn't that her job performance was horrendous, she had a belligerent attitude, and didn't get along with anyone in the company on any level. It must be really awesome to be clairvoyant.......
I don't have to be clairvoyant to see you are either making this story up to try to bolster your views or are leaving out details to prove your point.
 
Old 06-25-2014, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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If your HR dept refused to do something that had nothing to do with any laws. No, she was not a part of a protected class here from what has been presented. You just have a weak HR dept.
So gay people are not part of a protected class then. Thanks for enlightening all of us here.
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