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Old 07-04-2014, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's a total lie and you know is. I've posted many times that climate change is real, has changed since the beginning of time and will forever change.

You should retract your blatant lie.
You just don't want to know what kind of effect man has had on climate. Shame science can't be like the Bible, never changing and everyone believing what it says.

 
Old 07-04-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Ice discharge from the fastest glaciers draining the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets – Jakobshavn Isbrae (JI) and Pine Island Glacier (PIG)– continues to increase, and is now more than double that needed to balance snowfall in their catchment basins. Accelerating ice loss from the fastest Greenland and Antarctic glaciers - Thomas - 2011 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library

At present, the Antarctic ice sheet is losing mass at a rate almost comparable to that of the Greenland ice sheet, about 250 ± 31 Gt/year or 0.7 mm/year sea level rise, and the mass loss is increasing with time, at a rate slightly below that observed in Greenland, at 14 ± 2 Gt/yr2. The Antarctic ice sheet is therefore a major contributor to sea level rise and its contribution is slowly increasing with time. Is Antarctica melting? - Rignot - 2011 - Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Climate Change - Wiley Online Library
 
Old 07-04-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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You just don't want to know what kind of effect man has had on climate. Shame science can't be like the Bible, never changing and everyone believing what it says.
So you wont retract your lie?
 
Old 07-04-2014, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So you wont retract your lie?
Nothing to retract, so stop trying to deflect.
 
Old 07-04-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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I can't believe you have fallen into this trap AGAIN. Mixing weather with climate and linking unrelated events along with somebody speculating what might happen in 90 years.

From your link: "In the White Mountains, spruce forest abundance has been declining since 1800" Hmmm... since 1800..... isn't that more than 100 years BEFORE we began to seriously burn fossil fuels? But to the AGW alarmists, the decline in spruce forests is due to AGW even though the decline started 100 years before we increased CO2....... really funny.
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Your history is faulty. The Industrial Revolution was 'steaming' along by 1800. Hundreds of tons of coal which is a fossil fuel -- esp. 'sea coal' an exceptional 'dirty' fuel -- were being shoveled daily into the furnaces of factories, both here and around the world. Ever hear of the 'pea-soup' fogs of London? That was from coal by-products in the smoke.

You have an image of the early USA as being bucolic and non-mechanized that is false. The North was churning out all manner of goods, from armaments to cloth, polluting rivers and landscapes, when they weren't denuding them. One of the reason the frontier pushed west was that the 'pioneers' were using up the woods and needed fresh forests to harvest. The forests you see in the Northeast are largely 're-growth'.
 
Old 07-04-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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Yes, this is a HUGE problem and should be addressed. Unfortunately, our government has an agenda to expand it's power. Finding a solution to the bee problem does not expand government power or enrich the wealthy class so it gets very little attention. Meanwhile, funding for the AGW hoax is huge and growing.
There are a lot of people studying what is going on with bee's. One should note though, just because there is a problem doesn't mean the government can solve it.
 
Old 07-04-2014, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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I always wonder if one day deniers will finally learn how science works.
How liberal "science" works:
Take 1 datapoint, extrapolate it out - a new ice age is coming! Until it's proven wrong (by science)
Take 2 datapoint, extrapolate it out - global warming, the coasts will flood! Until its proven wrong (by science)
Take 2 datapoints, extrapolate them out call it 'climate change' built a political platform out of it and bilk the public out of tax dollars to study how to reverse it.
 
Old 07-04-2014, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Any reference from a real science organization or did News Busters have their own research team.
It's all based on a report from a global warming skeptic scientist. He's spinning findings from the University of Illinois. Okay, I've got no problem with that. Any scientific theory needs skeptics. If you don't have folks trying to debunk your science then your science isn't worth much.

The only thing I'm getting from the U of I's data is that we might be experiencing a slowing down in Arctic and Antarctic sea-ice levels. As has already been pointed out, the source is completely disregarding continental ice. Anyone who knows anything on the subject knows that it's really the continental ice that is the important thing. Antarctica is covered in a with a mass of ice 14,000 feet thick in places. Greenland's ice is 8,000 feet think in places. Ignoring the continental ice is blatantly dishonest. I'd rather see honest discussion of all the facts. It is true that the climate change side has been guilty of exaggerating facts -- and that has done tremendous damage to their cause. But from what I've seen, raw science ultimately lands in favor of climate change being a reality.
 
Old 07-04-2014, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How liberal "science" works:
Take 1 datapoint, extrapolate it out - a new ice age is coming! Until it's proven wrong (by science)
Take 2 datapoint, extrapolate it out - global warming, the coasts will flood! Until its proven wrong (by science)
Take 2 datapoints, extrapolate them out call it 'climate change' built a political platform out of it and bilk the public out of tax dollars to study how to reverse it.
Your first mistake was making climate science political....when you look at it as a liberal vs conservative mindset, then you completely miss the point of science.
 
Old 07-04-2014, 11:08 PM
 
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I believe this is the 3rd year in a row that here in Minnesota we are having above average rainfall, much cooler than normal temps and very cold, snowy winters. I see no evidence AT ALL of climate change.

Climate change is very limited to small areas of the globe, but look at the Chicken Littles try to spread panic.

I think global warmers are very unhappy, insecure people that need a cause to believe in. Pathetic.
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