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Old 02-05-2012, 05:24 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Planned Parenthood has been the center of the controversy over The Susan G. Komen Foundation this past week. The flap began when the Foundation decided to no longer donate to Planned Parenthood, on the basis that Planned Parenthood did not actually do mammography but only provided screening, and referral.

But it seems ironic that the SGK Foundation would donate money to an organization engaged in providing services that have been shown to be two of the leading causes of breast cancer, abortifacients (birth control pills) and abortion.

Planned Parenthood's history should give us pause when we consider this unholy alliance. On the one hand, we have a foundaton whose charter is to save lives. On the other, an organization whose history is ending lives:
"Many are aware that Planned Parenthood, the largest provider of abortion in the U.S., had eugenic beginnings. Founder Margaret Sanger was influenced by Malthusian eugenics, and noted eugenicists were on the PP board, including Alan Guttmacher, vice president of the American Eugenics Society1. Sanger's lover and mentor, Havelock Ellis, was a follower of Francis Galton, a leader in eugenics2."
"Fewer people know of Planned Parenthood's socialist connections. Sanger's husband, William, was connected to radical politics and attended socialist, anarchist, and communist meetings4. Sanger later joined the Socialist Party and was influenced by Emma Goldman, an anarchist. John Reed, a socialist, was also part of her circle. He visited Russia during the war, and wrote: "Russian ideals are the most exhilarating, thought the freest[.] ... Everyone acts just as he feels like acting, and says what he wants to"5. George Bernard Shaw, a socialist and one of the left's showpieces, was enthusiastic about Sanger's plans6, and he wrote in Birth Control Review: "We are up against an overpopulation problem created by Capitalism[.] ... Socialists say quite truly that Socialism can get rid of it. But it cannot wait for Socialism[.]" Later, Sanger became a "community organizer" for the IWW strike in Lawrence Mass. -- she was committed to the revolution7."

Read more: Articles: The Left's Genocide of Minorities


 
Old 02-05-2012, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A great number of things were founded by people with views considered unethical now.

Alexander Graham Bell was a great proponent of negative eugenics as well.

NASA was founded by officers form the Nazi SS that defected, even though they used slave labor from concentration camps.

The US was founded on the backs of slave labor.

Should we destroy every institution that exists now with a past people at present find ethically challenged?
 
Old 02-05-2012, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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Originally Posted by subsound View Post
A great number of things were founded by people with views considered unethical now.

Alexander Graham Bell was a great proponent of negative eugenics as well.

NASA was founded by officers form the Nazi SS that defected, even though they used slave labor from concentration camps.

The US was founded on the backs of slave labor.

Should we destroy every institution that exists now with a past people at present find ethically challenged?

The point is to evolve to something worthwhile, which indeed Planned Parenthood has done...


If Eugenics is your concern... i would point you to the social system in the Carolinas as late as the 70's which practiced the policy..... Now that's scary.
 
Old 02-05-2012, 06:36 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The point is to evolve to something worthwhile, which indeed Planned Parenthood has done...
Really?
 
Old 02-05-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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Planned Parenthood has been the center of the controversy over The Susan G. Komen Foundation this past week. The flap began when the Foundation decided to no longer donate to Planned Parenthood, on the basis that Planned Parenthood did not actually do mammography but only provided screening, and referral.

But it seems ironic that the SGK Foundation would donate money to an organization engaged in providing services that have been shown to be two of the leading causes of breast cancer, abortifacients (birth control pills) and abortion.

Planned Parenthood's history should give us pause when we consider this unholy alliance. On the one hand, we have a foundaton whose charter is to save lives. On the other, an organization whose history is ending lives:
"Many are aware that Planned Parenthood, the largest provider of abortion in the U.S., had eugenic beginnings. Founder Margaret Sanger was influenced by Malthusian eugenics, and noted eugenicists were on the PP board, including Alan Guttmacher, vice president of the American Eugenics Society1. Sanger's lover and mentor, Havelock Ellis, was a follower of Francis Galton, a leader in eugenics2."
"Fewer people know of Planned Parenthood's socialist connections. Sanger's husband, William, was connected to radical politics and attended socialist, anarchist, and communist meetings4. Sanger later joined the Socialist Party and was influenced by Emma Goldman, an anarchist. John Reed, a socialist, was also part of her circle. He visited Russia during the war, and wrote: "Russian ideals are the most exhilarating, thought the freest[.] ... Everyone acts just as he feels like acting, and says what he wants to"5. George Bernard Shaw, a socialist and one of the left's showpieces, was enthusiastic about Sanger's plans6, and he wrote in Birth Control Review: "We are up against an overpopulation problem created by Capitalism[.] ... Socialists say quite truly that Socialism can get rid of it. But it cannot wait for Socialism[.]" Later, Sanger became a "community organizer" for the IWW strike in Lawrence Mass. -- she was committed to the revolution7."

Read more: Articles: The Left's Genocide of Minorities

The left neither believe nor care about the truth.
 
Old 02-05-2012, 06:43 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Originally Posted by subsound View Post
A great number of things were founded by people with views considered unethical now.

Alexander Graham Bell was a great proponent of negative eugenics as well.

NASA was founded by officers form the Nazi SS that defected, even though they used slave labor from concentration camps.

The US was founded on the backs of slave labor.

Should we destroy every institution that exists now with a past people at present find ethically challenged?
Care to back up your brash statements with some facts from credible sources?

"US was founded on the backs of slave labor?" Please. That is one of the most ignorant assertions I have ever heard.
 
Old 02-05-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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Really?
Yes, really. Wrap you head around the fact that multiple millions of people do not think like you.
 
Old 02-05-2012, 06:47 AM
 
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A great number of things were founded by people with views considered unethical now.

Alexander Graham Bell was a great proponent of negative eugenics as well.

NASA was founded by officers form the Nazi SS that defected, even though they used slave labor from concentration camps.

The US was founded on the backs of slave labor.

Should we destroy every institution that exists now with a past people at present find ethically challenged?
I understand what you are trying to say, but Bell NEVER used the telephone to execute people, NASA doesn't and never has committed genocide, the US Constitution was the vehicle used to end slavery, but Planned Infanticide still murders babies.
 
Old 02-05-2012, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Care to back up your brash statements with some facts from credible sources?

"US was founded on the backs of slave labor?" Please. That is one of the most ignorant assertions I have ever heard.
Well, since you didn't pay attention in school it seems.

Alexander Graham Bell (2nd paragraph if you are really lazy) - Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NASA - Werner von Braun's - Under "creation" - NASA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Slave Labor - take your pick of American history, even slaves building the capital.

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I understand what you are trying to say, but Bell NEVER used the telephone to execute people, NASA doesn't and never has committed genocide, the US Constitution was the vehicle used to end slavery, but Planned Infanticide still murders babies.
Birth control. women's health, and abortion aren't murder or genocide.

Those have already been argued to death, which is why you can have an abortion at a hospital legally...but be executed for murder.
 
Old 02-05-2012, 07:34 AM
 
Location: OK
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Really?
Yes, really. They provide cancer srceening for hundreds of thousands of poor women. That is indeed a admirable feat.
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