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Old 07-17-2014, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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So should we expect to see more economic sanctions by the White House on Russia if they are found to be involved?
but will the whitehouse do the same if its proven that Ukraine did it...the freaking Nazi Ukrainians are animals...and our fascist liberals are all for supporting them...go figure

 
Old 07-17-2014, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Old 07-17-2014, 02:40 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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but will the whitehouse do the same if its proven that Ukraine did it...the freaking Nazi Ukrainians are animals...and our fascist liberals are all for supporting them...go figure
Yeah, gee. WHY would anyone support a sovereign nation defending itself against invasion, eh?

And really, "Nazi Ukrainians"? Do you really believe the Russians are peaceful little tea-sipping dilettantes in their dealings with other countries? Have you read no WW II history at all? Your charming little Russkies deliberately starved more than 7,000,000 Ukrainians to death in the '30s, think that doesn't leave a grudge do ya?
 
Old 07-17-2014, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yeah, gee. WHY would anyone support a sovereign nation defending itself against invasion, eh?

And really, "Nazi Ukrainians"? Do you really believe the Russians are peaceful little tea-sipping dilettantes in their dealings with other countries? Have you read no WW II history at all?
sovereign nation?... yep the sovereign nation of Crimea as they declares INDEPENDENCE from hostile Ukraine


and yes Ukraine has a Nazi background, and is anti Russian jew....fact


again the fascist liberals are against the jewish people
 
Old 07-17-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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Yeah, gee. WHY would anyone support a sovereign nation defending itself against invasion, eh?

And really, "Nazi Ukrainians"? Do you really believe the Russians are peaceful little tea-sipping dilettantes in their dealings with other countries? Have you read no WW II history at all? Your charming little Russkies deliberately starved more than 7,000,000 Ukrainians to death in the '30s, think that doesn't leave a grudge do ya?
Like Syria's Assad is doing?

Millions of Russians also starved. By the way, a Georgian named Stalin did this, why blaming Russians? Why not blame Georgia for this?
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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Didn't Crimea remain a Russian naval base after the break up of the USSR? Who knows what else may have been left behind in the former SSR that is Ukraine? Especially considering how old some of this technology is. People in the US have put together things like F-104s, T-38s, AV-8s, etc. by scouring aviation junkyards 'til they had all the parts they needed, I wouldn't doubt a similar situation exists in Russia and the surrounding former SSRs.
Ukraine's military lost a pretty advanced SAM system (BUK) to rebels overrunning one of their bases early in the conflict.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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sovereign nation?... yep the sovereign nation of Crimea as they declares INDEPENDENCE from hostile Ukraine
WHEN was Crimea ever a sovereign nation?


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and yes Ukraine has a Nazi background, and is anti Russian jew....fact
And the Russians were friggin' PIGs when they entered Germany and abused the civilian population during the war. And IF Russia treated its Jews so well WHY did so many flee when given the opportunity?


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again the fascist liberals are against the jewish people
WHAT a lame ass attempt to make this tragedy into a poor, poor, pitiful Jews line of BS. You are quite the hypocrite whining about Russian Jews while showing NO concern for what was known in Ukraine as the holodomor, the mass murder of more than 7,000,000 Ukrainians by the Russians*. So screw the "fascist liberals" BS you're trying to spread here, first get a clue about what really happened.

*Actually by a Georgian led USSR.

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Old 07-17-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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My personal opinion is that the Ukrainians shot the plane down on accident thinking that it was a Russian bomber.
Shrug - it's a thought, but there's just one side that has been downing planes in this conflict so far.

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Here's the thing, only two groups have the sort of AA missile that can take down a plane at 33,000 feet: Ukraine and Russia ... and the pro-Russian rebels say they do have such missiles at hand but nobody trained to operate them.
Actually, the pro-Russian rebels appear to have said a lot of things today, starting with triumphantly declaring that they shot down a transport plane, then claiming that they don't even have SAMs. So now it's "We have SAMs but can't find the crews"? Shenanigans. In fact, a poorly trained crew would fit this pattern nicely.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Just saw it announced on CNN that it's now confirmed the airliner was shot down by a ground to air missile.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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and yes Ukraine has a Nazi background, and is anti Russian jew....fact
Because historically, Russia is known to embrace and protect the right of their Jewish minorities, right?
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