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Even though a ton of people answered the topic's question, you republicans and independents are still wrong because your definitions of communism do not agree with NYRhockeyfan's definition...
...and just for fun: "Repubs" is not a word, therefore the topic's title is invalid. (reference to a specific group of people who love to use this tactic obsessively in order to escape an argument/debate that involves the use concrete facts...)
Simple answer - you've been living in a communist country for 81 years.
[] American governments were instituted to SECURE private property rights.
[] Collectivist governments abolish private property rights.
(FYI - in American law, private property is not simply property not owned by government. Property can be held absolutely - as private property - or with qualified ownership - as estate.)
FWIW - Private property ownership was abolished in 1933, so congratulations, America, you've been a communist nation for over 81 years - and didn't know it!
Skeptical?
The.USA.went.communist.in.1933.
Proof?
Before 1933, private property ownership was a SACRED RIGHT.
" Personal liberty, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as SACRED AS THE RIGHT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY...and is regarded as inalienable."
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987.
Few Americans can remember what private property was, since it has been 81 years.
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.
"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
“... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
- - - FIFTH AMENDMENT
Clear enough? Absolute ownership of lands, houses, and chattels by an individual is a SACRED RIGHT, secured by government, in harmony with the Declaration of Independence.
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__"The private ownership of gold is a privilege, not a right. Congress revoked the privilege of private ownership in 1933 and restored it in 1974. Congress could easily revoke the privilege again. In fact, at no time during this century has the U.S. government recognized the right of private gold ownership. The Trading With The Enemy Act, which President Roosevelt invoked in 1933 to restrict private gold transactions, remains law. The government could reactivate the machinery, which The Trading With The Enemy Act established, to implement gold confiscation."
- - - Boston College International and Comparative Law Review 297, 320 (1982)
Congress and FDR declared that private ownership of gold was a privilege, not a right.
__“The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called “ownership” is only by virtue of government, i.e. law, amounting to mere user; and user must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.”
— Senate Document No. 43, 73D Congress, 1st Session, entitled: “Contracts Payable in Gold”, by George Cyrus Thorpe, submitted to the senate: April 17, 1933
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Is that clear enough? Not just gold but ALL property.
The STATE abolished private property (absolute ownership by individuals).
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From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
Abolition occurred in 1933.
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STATE OF EMERGENCY
Senate Report 93-549
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
... ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...
... COMMUNIST RULE ...
Constitutional U.S.A. (1787 - 1933) R.I.P.
Does that help explain the curious behavior of "public servants" in office?
and I can give you three reasons why it (socialism) is good like David Ben Gurion, Aneurin Bevin and Helmut Scmidt (Chancellor of the BDR) .Three good communists include Steven J. Gould, Paul Robeson and John Reed with an honorable mention to Pete Seeger.
A representative republic is a democracy where people do not directly vote themselves on the issues, but they vote for a representative to vote in their interest. Can you imagine the logistics required if we replaced Congress and the Electoral College with just the popular vote?
Whether you like it or not, the United States of America is a constitutional republic, and will never be like ancient Greece.
I don't see why you are smacking your head unless its because you forgot the many graet and positive contributions to mankind that all of theses individuals gave! as for Pete Seeger the man wrote such great songs as Turn, Turn Turn, If I had a Hammer, Where Have all the Flowers Gone, Gauntanamera ,Little Boxes, What Did I Learn in School Today?, and that peon to Right Wing Pollution "Garbage" , He'll be remembered whenever someone picks up a 5 string acoustic guitar.
I'm tired of them labeling everything they don't like as authoritarian socialist communism. So, try explaining the concept of Communism to me. Without doing a quick refresher on Wikipedia.
There is no need to assign a label to something that is distaseful and repulsive as documented by history. Public opinion is not a court of law with word splitting lawyers, arms full of dictionaries, appeals, interpretations and reversals.
Public sentiment is not a court decision based on sentence structure and punctuation.
Like drug discovery, where unknown compunds are profiled against known standards. If it smells and tastes like socialism or communism it is good enough to reject.
A technical defintion of communism or socialism is an academic exercise with no real world significance.
I don't see why you are smacking your head unless its because you forgot the many graet and positive contributions to mankind that all of theses individuals gave! as for Pete Seeger the man wrote such great songs as Turn, Turn Turn, If I had a Hammer, Where Have all the Flowers Gone, Gauntanamera ,Little Boxes, What Did I Learn in School Today?, and that peon to Right Wing Pollution "Garbage" , He'll be remembered whenever someone picks up a 5 string acoustic guitar.
They were described by the poster in question as "good" communists.
The only good communist is one who is six feet under the ground.
As I stated in another thread, I believe President Obama would like the European version of Socialism, aka porn lite. But he is not a Communist or the strict version of a Socialist.
People will call me a nutcase, but I think he's a closet communist.
Read David Horowitz's book Radical Son for a very interesting perspective on the American left, and in particular those that came of age during the 1960's. All of the left wing agitators were communists back then. I think some were smart enough to realize they could better effect change by appearing to moderate their views and becoming part of the system. We're paying the price for that all these years later.
In a communist society "Everyone" is assigned some task or job so many on the left will bounce off walls and reject it before they allow that to happen.
Even though a ton of people answered the topic's question, you republicans and independents are still wrong because your definitions of communism do not agree with NYRhockeyfan's definition...
...and just for fun: "Repubs" is not a word, therefore the topic's title is invalid. (reference to a specific group of people who love to use this tactic obsessively in order to escape an argument/debate that involves the use concrete facts...)
Sorry, I didn't want the thread's title to be too long. And my definition of communism is Marx's definition of communism.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
They were described by the poster in question as "good" communists.
The only good communist is one who is six feet under the ground.
A+ for open-mindedness!
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Originally Posted by Cnynrat
People will call me a nutcase, but I think he's a closet communist.
Read David Horowitz's book Radical Son for a very interesting perspective on the American left, and in particular those that came of age during the 1960's. All of the left wing agitators were communists back then. I think some were smart enough to realize they could better effect change by appearing to moderate their views and becoming part of the system. We're paying the price for that all these years later.
Er, I am a left winger and I don't subscribe to Marx or Lenin's beliefs. Not to mention, my dad was a liberal back in those times, and he was never a communist..
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Originally Posted by petch751
In a communist society "Everyone" is assigned some task or job so many on the left will bounce off walls and reject it before they allow that to happen.
Nice try, but no. Try reading Marx. It won't make you a communist, any more than reading the Quran will make you Muslim.
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